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  1. TheRuss is offline
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    If the word "chiropractor" sets off alarm bells, find a good physiotherapist. Heat/cold therapy, ultrasound, electrotherapy, etc... without the "spinal adjustment" stuff.

    Quick lesson on how to tell a good physiotherapist from a bad physiotherapist (true story!):

    Russ: "I'm not getting full strength out of my shoulder."
    Good physio: *has me do a bunch of exercises* "Okay, see this? The strong position for your shoulder is supposed to be when the shoulder blade's retracted. *does a little demo with my good arm* But with your shoulder, it's reversed *does demo with bad arm*. Your rotator cuff isn't strong enough, probably from being strained, and your lower lat isn't being recruited. Here's some tubing and a list of exercises to strengthen both."
    Russ: "Hey, all right!"

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    Russ: "I think I hyperextended my left knee. The high-calf to low-hamstring region is sore." (give me some hot/cold, some electrodes and some ultrasound)
    Bad physio: "*has me do 45 minutes of unrelated tests, culminating in a wobble board test* Uh... *rolls dice* your gluteus medialis is too weak, and you have balance problems."
    Russ: "Uh huh. See you later. " (I can squat [large number] pounds with good form, I quit on your gluteus medialis test because it was crushing my balls, and I'm having trouble with your stupid wobble board because my knee is hyperextended.)
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    There are a couple of techniques called "sub-scapular" massage

    The one that works for me is here:

    http://books.google.ca/books?id=BRT7...um=1&ct=result

    These techniques are (can be) also helpful:

    http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cy...ts_massage.php

    The first one has worked very well for me with the same symptoms you are describing.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank White
    I went to a chiro for the first time also, and was told by back was out of place, causing a pinched nerve which tensed up my shoulder and neck muscles. I go back next friday and will have details of what is wrong written down, so I could go into details here if that might help. I'm going to ask him about acupuncture as well.
    I think it would be good for not only me, but others suffering the same problem as I.



    He said too much deep tissue massage will not solve the problem, and could irritate the muscles. He is the first person who was able to tell me what is wrong, I hope he knows what he is talking about.
    Well...yeah, it is tough to tell. And always a concern giving your spinal column to a stranger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctos1964
    There are a couple of techniques called "sub-scapular" massage

    The one that works for me is here:

    http://books.google.ca/books?id=BRT7...um=1&ct=result

    These techniques are (can be) also helpful:

    http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cy...ts_massage.php

    The first one has worked very well for me with the same symptoms you are describing.
    the first one looks pretty close to what I *felt* he was doing for me.

    I am two and a half days out of my last treatment with two training sessions totalling about 6 hours of training time and feel great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRuss
    If the word "chiropractor" sets off alarm bells, find a good physiotherapist. Heat/cold therapy, ultrasound, electrotherapy, etc... without the "spinal adjustment" stuff.
    He has done all those treatments for me with a grand total of one adjustment, which he did after the fourth treatment as he stated I had some pretty intense muscle guarding.

    Thus far, his treatments have been spot on and not excessive in my opinion. I agree with you that a large number of chiros want only to crack your back, as that is what many people go in looking for.
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    Even before BJJ, I've always had what you're calling 'muscle guarding'. Since that's usually a soft tissue issue, a massage from a good sports RMT has always done more for me than anything else.

    Just my .02
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    I have decided to hold off on the chiro visits and see a acupuncture guy, as well as get a second opinion from a chiropractor who is a friend of the family.

    How is your shoulder, Snakie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank White
    I have decided to hold off on the chiro visits and see a acupuncture guy, as well as get a second opinion from a chiropractor who is a friend of the family.

    How is your shoulder, Snakie?
    So far, it is feeling great. I am back to being able to move the heavy objects at work, take and give the head shots at training and perform throws.

    I am not to the point where I am comfortable TAKING throws yet.

    Again, I am really pleased with my acupuncture treatments and was surprised at the quality of the results.
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    I went to the accupuncturist, which was relaxing, but didn't really help for long. So I went to a second chiropractor, he took x-rays and found a misalignment in the vertabrae in my neck. This probably happened in class getting choked out, I don't know how you BJJ guys deal with that.

    After deep tissue massage and an adjustment, I feel better today, finally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank White
    I went to the accupuncturist, which was relaxing, but didn't really help for long. So I went to a second chiropractor, he took x-rays and found a misalignment in the vertabrae in my neck. This probably happened in class getting choked out, I don't know how you BJJ guys deal with that.

    After deep tissue massage and an adjustment, I feel better today, finally.
    That's good to hear.
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