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  1. Nid is offline

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    LLL should comment here.

    1939 Winter war. Finland vs. Russia. Nothing short of amazing.

    http://www.kaiku.com/winterwar.html

    For 105 days the world held its breath and learned the word sisu, while Russians died at the incredible rate of nearly 10,000 per day and the Finns lost 250 per day. When the armistice finally came on March 13, 1940, the Finns counted 25,000 dead, 55,000 wounded, and 450,000 homeless, a terrible price for a country of only four million people. However, even the Finns did not know the devastation that they had caused the Russians until years later. All this was at the hands of an army of less than 250,000 (mostly light infantry, home guard units) with hardly any anti-tank weapons (except Molotov cocktails) and 41 operational fighter aircraft. In the words of my father-in-law, Antti Olavi Pönkänen, who fought in this war: "Our lakes are full of dead Russians.
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    According to Khrushchev, 1.5 million men were sent to Finland and one million of them were killed. 1000 aircraft, 2300 tanks and armored cars and an enormous amount of other war materials were lost. "

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    LLL is anti-authority... and hates Americans....(just kidding LLL).... by the way thats a water cooled maxim machine gun isn't it?
  3. Nid is offline

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    Looks to be ice-cooled in any case.
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    I think the best battle of all time was......Frank Dux fighting off all those Hong Kong Policemen in the alleyway on the way to the Big KoooooMeeeete!!! Yeahhhhhhhh
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    Oh yeah... FRank Dux... forgot that one.... ONe of the greatest act of martial beauty.... Maybe they should make a movie.... You could call it ah... Lets see.... Kickboxer...no.....Cyborg....no.....

    How about Bloodsport....
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    Originally posted by The Wastrel
    Hmm...I wonder about including the ones that were just misguided, like Gallipoli.
    Dien Bien Phu for the French
    Anzio for the Americans
    Kasserine Pass for the Americans
    Stalingrad for the Germans
    Kursk for the Germans
    Dieppe for the Canadians
    Western front WW1 except for the 1918 German offensive, for everyone.
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    What really happened at Kursk? The "King" Tigers broke down, weren't enough of them? Russians used emasse tactics lots and lots of artie..... I never really understood that battle.
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    Originally posted by Justme
    What really happened at Kursk? The "King" Tigers broke down, weren't enough of them?

    There weren’t any king tigers at Kursk. There were tigers panthers elephants and the earlier Pzkw IV and Pzkw III. Also the Germans relied more than the allies on assault guns and tank destroyers (jag panzers) to make up for a shortage of tanks. The panthers broke down at Kursk because they were push into production early so they could be used at Kursk. Once the German fixed the bugs the panther was the best tank in the world until the early 1950’s.







    Russians used emasse tactics lots and lots of artie..... I never really understood that battle.
    Besides all the bad decisions made by the Germans, the Russians had great intelligence. Basically 1.2 million Russians ambushed 800 thousand Germans. Where the Germans attacked, the Russian defenses were 100 miles deep.
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    Don't remember Kursk too well....

    We ARE talking about WW2 right?
    "Russians used emasse tactics "
    This was a holdover tactic from WW1. The proliferation of the machine gun made en masse tactic a poor choice. (And kusaks as well! :) )

    With your little bolt action rifle (I've used one!) jamming and firing slowly, en masse tactics could allow one to take over large pieces of land. But the machine gun really killed that idea.

    This is all from distant fuzzy memory...
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    What about the Battle of Balaclava or was that just over dramatized by Lord Alfred Tennyson?

    Didn't the Crimean War also give us Florence Nightingale?
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