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  1. Crackers is offline

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    Related question. I'm trying to add more cardio to my schedule, and the only time available is after my strength workouts. How big of a mistake is it to add a tabata workout after lifting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyOldGuy
    Related question. I'm trying to add more cardio to my schedule, and the only time available is after my strength workouts. How big of a mistake is it to add a tabata workout after lifting?
    Don't you want to start recovering sooner after a strength workout, rather than delay it with cardio? Maybe do your cadio in a seperate session
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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyOldGuy
    Related question. I'm trying to add more cardio to my schedule, and the only time available is after my strength workouts. How big of a mistake is it to add a tabata workout after lifting?
    Depends on the nature of your strength workouts and also depends on the frequency of your MA sessions. You can really drain yourself out very quickly with high frequency HIIT/tabatas, specially if you do base them on plyos or jumping exercises like burpees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    Depends on the nature of your strength workouts and also depends on the frequency of your MA sessions. You can really drain yourself out very quickly with high frequency HIIT/tabatas, specially if you do base them on plyos or jumping exercises like burpees.
    Right now (upper body) 5x5 pullups, bench, rows, standing press. That's on my off days between MA class. Tabata sets would be sprawls and jump squats. I'm just not sure if stressing in such different ways is going to hurt recovery/improvement so much that it would be better to go down to one day of each a week.
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    So the OP is going to be doing MMA 2x a week and lift 2x a week? No advice should really be needed, you will not overtrain working out 4x a week. Just make sure you don't do your 2 lifting days consecutively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LI GUY 1
    So the OP is going to be doing MMA 2x a week and lift 2x a week? No advice should really be needed, you will not overtrain working out 4x a week. Just make sure you don't do your 2 lifting days consecutively.
    That's what I said. I think he wants a detailed routine though.


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    My strength coach has recommended that I group all my high effort workouts together. Here is the basic schedule I was following before I slipped (about to jump back in full force bitches):

    Mon:
    Weights AM
    BJJ PM
    Tue:
    Conditioning AM
    Wed:
    Muay Thai, Judo, JKD PM
    Thur:
    Conditioning AM
    Fri: Weights AM
    Sat: Standup, ground AM

    Here is the ideal workout, for performance in my MMA classes:
    Mon:
    BJJ PM
    Weights after
    Tue:
    Bagwork AM
    Conditioning/running PM
    Wed:
    MT, Judo, JKD PM (no resources left for weight training)
    Thur:
    Bagwork AM
    Conditioning/running PM
    Fri:
    Bagwork AM
    weights PM
    Sat: Standup, ground AM, run afterwards


    Weights usually go:
    Max effort upper body push (3x5 or 4x6)
    Max effort upper body pull (3x5 or 4x6)
    Max effort lower body (3x5 or 4x6)
    Superset comprised of:
    Endurance upper body push (3x12)
    Endurance upper body pull (3x12)
    Endurance lower body (3x12)
    Abs (dependant on exercise)
    2 supplemental lifts (wrist or neck work)

    Conditioning usually goes:
    intervals (2 sets tabata for now)
    Bar complexes (3x10 ish)
    aerobic exercise (pushing sled or running)

    Unfortunately it's tough for me to lift in the evenings because my jits classes are late and I don't have access to my strength facility except for at 1PM. Totally unnaceptable. :(
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    I'm not sure that doing multiple ME exercises in a single workout is a good idea. The way I understand it, you usually don't want to do more than one a day.
    Seems like a recipe for never reaching full ME on your second and third exercises, not to mention burning your CNS out or injuring yourself due to exhaustion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SunTzu
    I'm not sure that doing multiple ME exercises in a single workout is a good idea. The way I understand it, you usually don't want to do more than one a day.
    Seems like a recipe for never reaching full ME on your second and third exercises, not to mention burning your CNS out or injuring yourself due to exhaustion.
    I don't go to complete exhaustion - high effort would probably be a better description.
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