Leben is a coach? Does he teach people those bizarre looping hooks with a flexed chest, and hands at his knees? The guy has a good chin, but I don't see that style working for most people.
Leben may be the only crying emo in history of mankind with a rock-solid chin.
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Guys, this isn't a documentary. It's a promo video to designed to make Leben look like a badass and the camp look great.
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Originally Posted by Ryno
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Originally Posted by Razamataz
Wow the Leben hate really comes out here doesn't it?
And just for people who don't know, Leben did lose twice on TUF1. The first loss was to Josh Koscheck, probably the second best MMA Wrestler in his weight division (granted that may not be accurate but he's damn good). And his second loss was to Ken Florian. After knocking 3 shades of **** out of Ken for countless minutes, Ken lands an elbow to Chris and cuts him, fight over (yeah what a dominating loss that was).
I don't care if people don't like Chris Leben for his fighting style, etc. A lot of people say that about Lyoto as well. Fact is the man fights at a professional level and has done for quite some time. I wouldn't say he's top tier matieral, but he can at least mix it up in the cage with the best, and has done so.
None of that makes him qualified to run his own camp.
Also, I was disappointed with that stoppage too, but to give Florian credit, he was fighting two weight classes above his.
Mega props to Florian of course, I'm just saying it was (in my eyes) a lucky win for him.
I will also say this, Chris Leben probably has more of a right to run a camp then anyone else who's posted in this thread so far. I may be completely off the mark with that, but I would just think that someone who has had that many pro fights would know more about training people for MMA then myself.
Oh jeez, not 'youz giaz gotz no rite!' whinny bullshit. It just the internet after all.
Also, how is it luck if Florian has done it repeatedly? More like good strategy for beating a bigger, tougher opponent.
So he lost twice...both to people currently in lower weight classes...combine that with sloppy technique and we definitley have a winner here. No matter what the UFC says Koscheck isn't more then an upper B level fighter at best, and florian fights two weight classes down so I'm really not impressed. The only person who could be considered among the "best" that I've seen him fight was Anderson...who ripped his head off. He's a poor wrestler and an awful boxer and every time I see him throw one of those looping punches I understand why boxers think we can't punch for ****.
Originally Posted by ADM
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