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  1. A.M. is offline

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    Here is sgt. Rory Miller's blog

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYBUDOKA
    Dave,

    I'm well aware of the "chap" you mentioned, (I believe that's the first time I have ever used the term "chap"). I'm certain your friend is aware of this threads existence, since he is a large part of my motivation to come forward as of late.

    I'm not looking to personally attack anyone without provocation, however I will not stand by any longer and allow the outright lies to continue. I believe we can disagree without being disagreeable. I hope that continues to be the case in this thread.

    Bill Williams
    Hi Bill, I think we're at cross purposes, the chap here in the UK is a legitimate student of over ten years living and training in Japan however, I think he may be within a differing line of Sosuishi Ryu.

    Please forgive me, I do not wish to become embroiled in a political/lineage war, I respect the position you've taken and will watch this thread with interest, if you wish to discuss Sosuishi Ryu within the UK, I would be happy to PM you the appropriate email address of the person concerned.

    --Dave
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    Dave,


    I am well aware of your friend, and what he claims his grade is. Thanks for the offer of his e-mail, but I’m certain him and I have corresponded in the past. I will just state that he is not a legitimate, graded student of Shitama Sensei, and Sosuishi ryu.


    Let me just add that at present the only dojo recognized by Shitama Sensei, Shihan of all Sosuishi ryu are; one in New York City, two in Washington State, and the dojo in Australia under Pat Harrington Sensei.

    Currently, there is one recognized group that does a variation called Matsui-ha in Tokyo that is headed by Ito Manabu Sensei and he is recognized by Shitama Sensei as the legitimate heir to the Matsui-ha. Shitama Sensei does not recognize any other dojo or “instructors” in the USA, Japan, or any other country, for that matter.


    The bottom line is that Sosuishi-ryu is a koryu (developed prior to the Meijii period) and as such the pure (true) line has one legitimate headmaster which has been the case for 350 years.

    If your friend did not study at the hombu of Sosuishi-ryu and does not have credentials from Sosuishi-ryu's headmaster, Shitama Manzo Sensei, then he is doing something other than a koryu and specifically, true Sosuishi-ryu.


    There are many people out there that started their own thing and are calling it Sosuishi-ryu. There are others who play fast and loose with the truth to bolster their credentials. That is why I am on the site to expose the frauds, and bring clarity to all the bogus claims being made.

    This is in no way about politics, just the truth.

    Bill Williams
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    why is there so much TMA drama?

    if you studied the art and have a black belt in it, shouldn't you be able to teach it? what's with all the lineage issues? i'm actually completely serious.

    you don't have this **** in wrestling or bjj.
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    My apologies to Dave and to Bill... I got my Ryu's mixed up.
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    To [COLOR=#0368ff]vinhthekid[/COLO"]No BS Martial Arts - View Profile: vinhthekid@@AMEPARAM@@View Profile: vinhthekid</title>@@AMEPARAM@@vinhthekid vbmenu_register("postmenu_1860848", true); .......

    I get your point but that's not the issue.....

    What if you studied at a school where the intructors are not what they claim?
    What if you don't have the grade you claim in the style that you say you do?
    Should you still claim to teach it in the UK?


    and (getting back to this thread's original topic) should you claim it as credentials when you write a MA related book.....? or is that wrong...?

    Randy Cantonwine
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYBUDOKA
    This is in no way about politics, just the truth
    Bill, I assume you speak, read and write Japanese correct ?
    Last edited by Rock Ape; 7/02/2008 3:51am at .
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    Hello Bill,

    Thank you for coming forward. I dont like lineage wars. Are there other lines of Sosuishi ryu, even if they are illegitimate in your eyes. Menkyo Kaiden or Shihan that have broken away over the years?

    Quote Originally Posted by vinhthekid
    you don't have this **** in wrestling or bjj.
    Yes we do. The Gracie's are the worst, each of them claiming their dad was the "founder/creator" of GJJ/BJJ, and constantly claiming that only GJJ is the real BJJ.
    "Sifu, I"m niether - I'm a fire dragon so don't **** with me!"
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    ...and they are rightly laughed at. but that's not what this thread is about.
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    200 years from now you will have this **** in BJJ.
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