Strikeforce 6/27/08 Thread (****SPOILERS****)

**UpaLumpa** · Posted On: 7/02/2008 7:14pm

Originally Posted by Judo Mofo

Seems like we have two basic choices here. Either Daniel is good enough at grappling that he made a legit attempt to get a sub when not in the better and more accepted dominant position, or he doesn't really know what he's doing on the ground and just tried to crank a crappy headlock without really understanding that the position he was in was going to make it extremely difficult to get a legit choke. Based on his performance in the rest of the fight, which do you think is more likely?

I think it is obvious which is more likely, just thought I'd comment on the implication that guillotines from under half are a no-no.

**Judo Mofo** · Posted On: 7/02/2008 7:36pm

Aren't they, though? I'm not saying they don't ever work or that no one ever does them. But getting one from half guard is more difficult than getting one from guard. Getting one with the arm in is more difficult than no arm. Getting one from half guard with an arm in is even more of a low percentage move. And it's easier to escape from too, no?

**Fighting Cephalopod** · Posted On: 7/02/2008 9:27pm

If you have his head under your left arm and your legs are in half-guard around his left leg, it's a perfectly legit sub, and in fact it's often easier to finish the arm-in guillotine this way because it's easier to get on your side.

If you have his head under your right arm and your legs are in half guard around his left leg, you ain't gettin' ****, and you're probably gonna get kimura-ed.