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    Two Interviews with Onassis Parungao

    Onassis Parungao is a Hung Gar dude in Wing Lam's lineage (I'm not up on lineages). His big claim to fame is fighting as an alternate in UFC 7 (you can see his vid elsewhere here on bullshido). He also happens to be my instructors Sifu. I've spoken to him on the phone once, he seems like a cool dude.

    Anyway, I found a couple of good interviews online and thought I would post them here for interested parties.

    http://darkwingchun.wordpress.com/20...gao-interview/

    http://wallacesmedley.com/2013/06/11...ssis-parungao/
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    A very cool dude, in or out of martial arts.

    If you want to see a good-natured lampooning of CMA culture, watch "Kwoon".

    That's Onassis in the middle. He'll be thrilled that I posted this, but it's a rare gem.

    "Kwoon - It's like porno, but with KUNG FU instead of sex"


    http://www.amazon.com/Kwoon-Nelson-A.../dp/B00016RNZI
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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    A very cool dude, in or out of martial arts.
    His classes are about an hour away from where I live here in CT, but I'm hoping that I can make it up for a lesson sometime this year after I get the Hung Gar fundamentals down. Its been slow learning so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordbd View Post
    His classes are about an hour away from where I live here in CT, but I'm hoping that I can make it up for a lesson sometime this year after I get the Hung Gar fundamentals down. Its been slow learning so far.
    Onassis and my sifu are old acquaintances and he's one of the lucky hundred or so people allowed on my FB friends list. Sifu has some funny stories about discussing/debating modern MMA and Hung ga applications with Onassis (boy I would have loved to be a fly on that wall). They are both from the old school "fine, then let me show you" kung fu crowd. I wish more kung fu folks were like Sifu and O...they keep it as real as I think is possible in this day and age,

    O in particular is one of the few kung fu guys that went into UFC knowing what the hell he was signing up for, and wasn't a let-down. He had some cool wins in full contact comp, a couple losses, but the most interesting thing is how he's BLENDED his fighting skills from various backgrounds (Southern Chinese, Filipino, wrestling). He was actually this close >< to joining the Pancrase competition circuit but chose to build a family instead....his heart and kung fu are equally formidable.

    My favorite part is that unlike almost every other kung fu UFC competitor I can think of, Onassis' official UFC win is listed as "Submission due to strikes". Hell yeah, that's what I'm talking about...

    I've promised myself to see if my next trip through CT allows a visit because that would be awesome, but I don't travel through CT much these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    My favorite part is that unlike almost every other kung fu UFC competitor I can think of, Onassis' official UFC win is listed as "Submission due to strikes". Hell yeah, that's what I'm talking about...
    Absoultely! Watching the video where they do the slow-motion replay you can see him applying some hung gar skills, including a fucking tiger claw! The principle of using both hands for rapid strikes was really at play there as well.

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    I've promised myself to see if my next trip through CT allows a visit because that would be awesome, but I don't travel through CT much these days.
    You'll have to hit me up if you are going to attend a class. How long have you been training hung gar?
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    You'll have to hit me up if you are going to attend a class. How long have you been training hung gar?
    A little over 5 years. I can teach a couple of the WFH sets, like Taming the Tiger in I Pattern, the Tiger Crane Paired Fist, and most of the Five Animal Fist. Also the qiqong sets like the brocades and muscle changing classic, and some other shorter sets like Fu Jow Gong, and a zillion little conditioning exercises.

    I've been lucky and got the opportunity to take really good notes from a sifu who took really amazing notes over 30 years training with Frank Yee and was one of his original Chinatown students. On top of that, I've made Hung ga friends outside the Tang Fong lineage so that's only broadened my perspective.

    Hung ga applications are pretty simple and straightfoward...boxing, grappling, throwing, locking etc. The hard part is really the training regimen, which if done properly will kick most people's ass. Unfortunately while some videos online like Sifu Lavell Marshall's provide a nice "upper bound" to show you how a real competitor (in his case shuai jiao) trains his Hung ga..there is sadly no lower bound. There is terrible Hung ga out there too, and a lot of it is just form videos where you can almost see the absence of real application training...everything just looks weak. The nice thing about the few standard hung ga sets like Tiger Crane Paired Fist is that performed by a strong, flexible practitioner, they are essentially a good display of actual strength and endurance. Performed by a weak practitioner with no application training, they look completely silly but for some reason, THESE are the people who love uploading their videos more than any other.

    Here's the upper bound I mentioned, if you can train like this, or even come close you are keeping Wong Fei Hung's lineage alive. IF you don't, well...what's the excuse?

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=122100
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    Thanks for your thoughts. I agree with a lot of what you are describing. What really attracted me to hung gar in the first place was the idea of conditioning as a big part of my training (both iron palm type stuff and actual strength, speed, flexibility). I like that I've learned one small set of basics (haven't even started taming the tiger yet), and I can get sweaty and sore just from that. Forms I've learned in other arts really weren't physically challenging in the same way. And, of course, Parungao's guys spar at various levels of intensity.

    Right now I'm going through a process of learning how the stances and transitions in hung gar blend into the less formal things I've learned (e.g. boxing, muay thai).
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    Grab Jack Dempsey's book and read about the falling step and you will know what Hung ga footwork is all about from a boxing perspective.

    Jabs crosses hooks overhand, underhand etc these are all good strikes, but the most powerful of them involve full locomotion of the body mass, accelerated.

    Jack Rusher posted this image of Dempsey in action. Some of the footwork here would make Wong Fei Hung very proud.

    LOL in fact I'm almost positive this exact technique is in Taming the Tiger.

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    Hell Yea!

    I was just reading that internal v. external thread the other day, where this video of Dempsey was posted. He's one of my favorite old boxers and I actually have a pdf of his book. It's cool to see those connections (i.e. how did a relatively small man pack suck a badass punch). I've read elsewhere that some people equate "internal power" to essentially the proper training of motor-neurons to work efficiently together. Whole body power, but at the neural level.

    In any event, I hope I learn to hit hard. One of my goals is to post a video of me breaking a break one day. Just a bucket-list kind of thing.

    For now, unfortunatley, I'm still at the stage of stumbling through forms like a drunken toddler.
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    The focus of each form (the core 4 anyway) is a little different, but they all work together and circularly. The goal isn't to learn all the movements, but to learn to move through them effortlessly and with the right level of endurance. They are part technique base, part test.

    Honestly once you learn about half the core forms, it opens up a lot of improvisation in the form of shadowboxing. A hallmark of getting good at Hung ga is actually not just learning the core 4 forms (the first form has 100+ movements), but learning to blend the techniques together and break completely from the forms themselves, and then use that freedom in practice, sparring, whatever. Take any 3 or 4 techniques and you can create your own combinations, etc.

    For this reason, some modern schools prefer to teach forms last, so there is no break required...you teach someone applications in live conditions, and later on show them the framework. In the old way, you learned the framework first and if you were patient and trained hard, you'd ramp up to that level, with periodic "AHA" moments where it all made sense....take it to san da with a partner, see if your insights were correct, meditating on it afterwards while practicing uncomfortable contortions and iron body practices designed to make you cry less about the discomforts involved in the training.
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