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  1. Ming Loyalist is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnaTrocity
    Show me some vid of his sparring so I can judge whether he deserves to be called a "good standup fighter".
    i don't have them, and wouldn't want to get involved anyway.

    i couldn't care less how you judge his standup, but the guy has fought at least 2 challenge matches in a ring under full contact sanda rules and has won them by KO. i got this info from people i know well and trust, but i don't expect you to take my word for it.

    is he a loudmouth? yes.
    is he ignorant when it comes to mma and grappling? yes.
    would i like to see his skills tested under mma rules? oh, hell yes.
    do i think that bill duff is the guy to do it? no. i want someone who is really, really good to do it. like the pro mma fighter that BT challenged, nick something?
    "Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
    "When I was a little boy, I had a sailor suit, but it didn't mean I was in the Navy." - Mtripp on the subject of a 5 year old karate black belt
    "Without actual qualifications to be a Zen teacher, your instructor is just another roundeye raping Asian culture for a buck." - Errant108
    "Seriously, who gives a **** what you or Errant think? You're Asian males, everyone just ignores you, unless you're in a krotty movie." - new2bjj
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    Well he has no sparring video on his youtube account.

    Anyways, numbers count for nothing. Until you see someone in action you know basically nothing about them. Perhaps he KOed two scrawny white guys with pony tails and "VING TSUN" tshirts.

    Everyone knows that you cant take a kung fu practitioners claims about someones "standup" at face value because...well...it should be obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming Loyalist
    i couldn't care less how you judge his standup, but the guy has fought at least 2 challenge matches in a ring under full contact sanda rules and has won them by KO. i got this info from people i know well and trust, but i don't expect you to take my word for it.
    Does every loudmouth KF guy have the SAME fucking stories about these closed-door matches they have fought in that cannot be verified?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnaTrocity
    Everyone knows that you cant take a kung fu practitioners claims about someones "standup" at face value because...well...it should be obvious.
    sure, or you could realize that the kung fu guy in question (me) is a sanda coach, cross-trains mma, watches sport fighting obsessively, and has been a forum member and throwdown organizer for several years.

    but of course, cause i'm a "kung fu practitioner" i don't know what i'm talking about.

    look. i'm not a fan of the guy, i think he makes kung fu look bad, but i think if he faces a tomato can like bill duff he might win, and that would be too bad, cause a real mma fighter would most likely beat the **** out of him.

    get it?
    "Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
    "When I was a little boy, I had a sailor suit, but it didn't mean I was in the Navy." - Mtripp on the subject of a 5 year old karate black belt
    "Without actual qualifications to be a Zen teacher, your instructor is just another roundeye raping Asian culture for a buck." - Errant108
    "Seriously, who gives a **** what you or Errant think? You're Asian males, everyone just ignores you, unless you're in a krotty movie." - new2bjj
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65
    Does every loudmouth KF guy have the SAME fucking stories about these closed-door matches they have fought in that cannot be verified?
    probably. this one happens to be true, as far as i can tell. and after a number of years of being a straight shooter around here i would think that my word might count for something.

    however, in the end, i couldn't care less, and don't want to argue with you about it for no good reason.
    "Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
    "When I was a little boy, I had a sailor suit, but it didn't mean I was in the Navy." - Mtripp on the subject of a 5 year old karate black belt
    "Without actual qualifications to be a Zen teacher, your instructor is just another roundeye raping Asian culture for a buck." - Errant108
    "Seriously, who gives a **** what you or Errant think? You're Asian males, everyone just ignores you, unless you're in a krotty movie." - new2bjj
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming Loyalist
    i just wish he was actually fighting a pro mma fighter, because it would be a better test of his skill.

    i think he has a decent chance of KO'ing duff, because BT is a good stand up fighter and bill duff is not a good fighter in any range.
    Bill has decent wrestling, but a glass jaw(he got knocked out recently in TKD point sparring).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming Loyalist
    i don't have them, and wouldn't want to get involved anyway.

    i couldn't care less how you judge his standup, but the guy has fought at least 2 challenge matches in a ring under full contact sanda rules and has won them by KO. i got this info from people i know well and trust, but i don't expect you to take my word for it.

    is he a loudmouth? yes.
    is he ignorant when it comes to mma and grappling? yes.
    would i like to see his skills tested under mma rules? oh, hell yes.
    do i think that bill duff is the guy to do it? no. i want someone who is really, really good to do it. like the pro mma fighter that BT challenged, nick something?
    Against other sanda fighters? Or against some dude that pissed him off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming Loyalist
    sure, or you could realize that the kung fu guy in question (me) is a sanda coach, cross-trains mma, watches sport fighting obsessively, and has been a forum member and throwdown organizer for several years.

    but of course, cause i'm a "kung fu practitioner" i don't know what i'm talking about.

    look. i'm not a fan of the guy, i think he makes kung fu look bad, but i think if he faces a tomato can like bill duff he might win, and that would be too bad, cause a real mma fighter would most likely beat the **** out of him.

    get it?
    So have you actually seen the guy in action or not?
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    Honestly, what does it matter? Is it because he does kung Fu?

    Seriously, Anthony and Os got mileage (rightly so) out of beating up two supposedly experienced Kung Fuers. Both of which were internet drama " against some dude that pissed him off."

    If he fought someone he was angry with it doesn't detract from him fighting. Before we go any further yes, I hate the BS closed door garbage.

    Oh and BT is apparently training MMA so, yeah.
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    selfcritical -> one was against a well known sanda coach (they got into internet drama and settled it in the ring, with a no cameras, and "we aren't going to talk about the results publicly" clause - hence why the sanda coach remains unnamed) the other time i don't have details.

    anna -> nope. i do know and trust several people who were present at the above mentioned challenge match. and i know several others (again people i trust) who have sparred the guy and say he hits hard and is no pushover.

    again: i don't like the guy very much, i would love to see him fight a good MMA fighter. you don't have to believe me, but i think that bill duff is a poor choice and could give BT a chance to gloat about beating up an MMA guy (even though we all know duff is not an MMA guy.)
    "Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
    "When I was a little boy, I had a sailor suit, but it didn't mean I was in the Navy." - Mtripp on the subject of a 5 year old karate black belt
    "Without actual qualifications to be a Zen teacher, your instructor is just another roundeye raping Asian culture for a buck." - Errant108
    "Seriously, who gives a **** what you or Errant think? You're Asian males, everyone just ignores you, unless you're in a krotty movie." - new2bjj
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