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    Another Rodney King type scenario?

    (The man beaten weighed 400 pounds.)

    By JOHN NOLAN, Associated Press Writer

    CINCINNATI - A 400-pound black man died after being struck repeatedly by police wielding metal nightsticks, and the mayor said Monday a videotape showed that the officers were defending themselves.

    The cause of death was under investigation.

    Black activists say the death Sunday of Nathaniel Jones, 41, was another example of brutality involving Cincinnati police. The fatal shooting of an unarmed black man by a white police officer in April 2001 prompted three nights of rioting in the city.

    "How many of our people have to die before the city decides to do something about it?" said Nathaniel Livingston Jr. of the Coalition for a Just Cincinnati.

    The officers who were at the scene Sunday five whites and one black were placed on administrative leave, which is policy while investigators examine any police encounter that results in a death.

    Sunday's confrontation was videotaped by a camera on a police cruiser. After seeing the video, Mayor Charlie Luken rejected activists' demand that he force police Chief Thomas Streicher Jr. to resign.

    "What I saw was a 400-pound man violently attacking a police officer in a manner that put the lives of police officers at risk," Luken said. "While the investigations will continue, there is nothing on those tapes to suggest that the police did anything wrong."

    Luken said he agreed with the initial police assessment that the officers who struggled with Jones defended themselves as they were trained to do when attacked.

    An employee at a fast-food restaurant called 911 early Sunday to report that a man had passed out on the grass outside. Emergency personnel arrived and reported that the man was awake and "becoming a nuisance," according to police radio transmissions.

    The first two officers to arrive, Baron Osterman and James Pike, were shown on the video striking Jones after he was warned to stay back. Jones then lunged at one of the two white officers and knocked him down. The officers kept yelling "put your hands behind your back" as they struggled to handcuff him.

    They called for an ambulance when Jones appeared to be in distress. He died within minutes of arriving at University Hospital, Assistant Chief Richard Janke said. The reason for Jones' behavior is not known, Janke said.

    Black activist groups staged an economic boycott of Cincinnati after the 2001 shooting of Timothy Thomas, 19, who was wanted on prior charges of fleeing police when he ran from officers. Officer Stephen Roach shot him in a dark alley and was later cleared at trial of criminal charges.

    A federal investigation of that shooting, requested by the city, resulted in Cincinnati's April 2002 agreement to tighten policies regarding use of force and to improve handling of citizen complaints against the police.

    Last February, a white officer chased and fatally shot a black man who was spotted running from a store that had been broken into, police said. The police, Hamilton County prosecutor and the Citizen Complaint Authority review panel concluded that the shooting was justified because the suspect was beating the officer with his nightstick.

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    Yeah, uhhh...there are dozens of things they could have done besides beat him to death (taser, mace, choke hold, shot to the leg). This is obviously police brutality. But I guess I won't know until I see it first-hand. Time to go speeding...
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    They have a partial video on the yahoo link.
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    there are dozens of things they could have done besides beat him to death

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    An employee at a fast-food restaurant called 911 early Sunday to report that a man had passed out on the grass outside. Emergency personnel arrived and reported that the man was awake and "becoming a nuisance," according to police radio transmissions.

    The first two officers to arrive, Baron Osterman and James Pike, were shown on the video striking Jones after he was warned to stay back. Jones then lunged at one of the two white officers and knocked him down. The officers kept yelling "put your hands behind your back" as they struggled to handcuff him.

    They called for an ambulance when Jones appeared to be in distress. He died within minutes of arriving at University Hospital, Assistant Chief Richard Janke said. The reason for Jones' behavior is not known, Janke said.
    Sounds like a fat coke-head who finally had a gripper.
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    The cause of Nathaniel Jones' death on Sunday was under investigation. But preliminary autopsy results showed that the 41-year-old man had an enlarged heart, and his blood contained cocaine and PCP, or "angel dust," both of which can cause bizarre or aggressive behavior, Hamilton County Coroner Carl Parrott said.

    I am not excusing the behavior of the police but I think if you take into consideration that he weighed 350 lbs and that he was on coke & PCP that was part of it.
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    Re: Another Rodney King type scenario?

    Another Rodney King type scenario?
    Depends on your perception of the events. From my perspective, one, the officers acted in accordance with their training so their use of force is justified. Two, I believe the officers involved with this recent incident and the Rodney King arrest, acted defensively, hence, the actions of the officers should surprise no one. Last, both "victims" (a term used most loosely) were resisting arrest thereby endangering the officers lives.

    The fact that both men were black and the majority of the officers were white, become ancillary matters.


    The cause of Nathaniel Jones' death on Sunday was under investigation.

    But preliminary autopsy results showed that the 41-year-old man had an enlarged heart, and his blood contained cocaine and PCP, or "angel dust," both of which can cause bizarre or aggressive behavior, Hamilton County Coroner Carl Parrott said.


    http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/national...470530,00.html
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