Posted On:12/01/2003 9:28am
We have had discussions in the past about the effectiveness of throws in street situation. The questions I have is shouldn't you work the throw such that you use your opponents body to cushion the impact of hitting the ground? Maybe obivous, but curious on your thoughts.
Posted On:12/01/2003 9:33am
Style: BJJ - Homeland Security
Since most people can't fall properly and you really don't want to go to the ground in a live fight, throwing someone and rolling onto them is not only redundant but risks your own safety. Basically, if you can put the guy on the ground in considerable pain while you remain standing, then it's time to end the fight and leave.
Note that this probably doesn't apply to sacrifice throws where you need to fall too. But those are also a bad idea.
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Posted On:12/01/2003 9:36am
Personally, I'd prefer to stay standing after a throw. Its only when they go wrong that you end up losing balance as well. I can't think of any useful throws that deliberatly involve falling on the ground as well (with the exception of some sacrifice throws, but if you're using those, your already in trouble)
So, if it goes right, you should still be on your feet. If it goes wrong, then yes, you should try and land on your opponent.
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Posted On:12/01/2003 9:40am
The reason I brought it up was the video clips on downloaded from the judo website I was reviewing. Granted in mutiple opponent situations this can be a bad idea.... but thats another thread...
Posted On:12/01/2003 9:41am
OK... What submissions can you do from your feet? Is the only one an armbar?
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Posted On:12/01/2003 10:04am
Standing up is a striking wetdream. The first step is to drop your knee on their head from the armbar position you are talking about. Then strike until you want to leave.
Posted On:12/01/2003 10:05am
Style: Shi Ja Quan
Judo throws are "safe" throws, IF you know how to fall and you fall on mats and the thrower is a nice guy.
Any judo throw can be modified to its original form, just be not holding on at the end of the throw.
Most Judo throws will result in the throwee falling head first, UNLESS the thower controls his fall.
I would think that VERY effective, no?
Good point Whiteshark.
Posted On:12/01/2003 10:14am
Style: Judo and BJJ
Actually, to hurt someone with a Judo throw, the trick is to not complete it...for example, doing the classic one arm shoulder throw, if you do not follow through, you will drop them on thier head.
However, on most reaps you need to drive thier legs up while forcing the head down...the easiest way to do this is a forarm across the throat or a palm to the chin.
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Posted On:12/01/2003 10:42am
Never used a throw before in a 'street' situation, but i was thinking how much energy does it take to do an effective throw? I mean would it be more economical on energy to throw a punch instead?
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