Went punch for punch and hurt my hand... is the hand a weak weapon?

**patfromlogan** · Posted On: 11/30/2003 1:45pm

Jon Bluming has gone to mostly open hand strikes.

K and others - some good posts here.

**RockTiger** · Posted On: 11/30/2003 2:20pm

Originally posted by NorwoodBloke
Kali has moves that attack the opponents fists with glancing blows from your elbows when defending, bare knuckle boxers sometimes intentionally take blows on the hard part of their skull for the same effect and vale tudo fighters often slap instead of hooking to protect their hands.
The hands aren't weak you just need to be careful what you do with them in training.

That is soooooooooooooo wierd... my amatur self-learned kata has something like this. I've never seen Vale Tudo or Kali stuff...

**Jenfucius** · Posted On: 12/01/2003 5:37pm

i have a qigong for the hands, but i'm not sharing it with you bastards of bullshido!

**Stick** · Posted On: 12/01/2003 6:08pm

I prefer open handed strikes. First things first, I can't deal with punches well and I don't like using them, but if I can hit someone while attampting to grab them, well palm heel's good and a lot nicer on my hands.

No matter how much instruction I get and how perfect a boxing guy says my left hook looks, after ten jab-cross-hooks my left wrist is killing me on the hook, ick. Without a target it looks fine, but I think the deal is, every time I throw my hook, my hand ends up rolling inwards...... fucking annoying.

While the palm heel presents the problem of the hand possibly being bent backwards against the wrist (ow) I very rarely encounter that kind of problem.

But hey, punchinghas worked and continues to work good for billions of people now and throughout history ^_^ must be something to it I'm fucking up!

**Hannibal** · Posted On: 12/01/2003 6:59pm

I like doing shitloads of knuckle puchups and striking a punching bag for hand/knuckle conditioning. I agree 100% with what has been said. A clenched fist should be used to strike flesh/muscle/tissue. Using open hand palm strikes are just as powerful as the fist.

**drunkenj** · Posted On: 12/01/2003 7:23pm

you should always use the abdomen as the target in stupid drunken punch fights

**dburton** · Posted On: 12/01/2003 7:58pm

Boxers have told me that if you hit someone (even with gloves) properly, you will feel it in the back of your hand and in your wrist, unless you wrap your hands. I dunno since I don't wrap my hands (too cheap to buy em), but I just finished a test and pretty much most parts of my hand(s) is (are) sore. We had to end the test with sparring so i'm sure my technique had dwindled after an hour.

**blankslate** · Posted On: 12/02/2003 1:06am

Kunt was pretty much correct. I wouldn't advise hitting a hard bag though.

I favor open handed strikes to the head these days.

9chambers · Posted On: 12/02/2003 2:47am

When you said that you had proper alignement, how do we know that's true? Can you describe this alignment?

(just exploring other things that could have gone wrong)

**MMA_Phil** · Posted On: 12/02/2003 4:41am

"Did you have a tight fist? Your fist should be so tight that you can't even stick a finger inside it."

- No! It shouldn't!

"The hand is a structurally weak part of the body due to the number of bones and joints in it.
It’s a disaster waiting to happen."

- Exactly.

"Boxers have told me that if you hit someone (even with gloves) properly, you will feel it in the back of your hand and in your wrist, unless you wrap your hands."

- Yeah, you do. Once you can really hit the bag hard, you have to wrap your hands or you will hurt them.

Bottom line: if you hit something hard enough, you will break your hand - like Mike Tyson did in a streetfight. No correct usage of wrist alignment or stupid conditioning regime will save you.