TUF season 7, Episode 11: just the icing on the ice-cream...

**Matt W.** · Posted On: 6/16/2008 3:24pm

Yeah, I caught that bag of ice. Still, you don't think he also got out muscled some?

**gzk** · Posted On: 6/16/2008 4:13pm

Originally Posted by Judah Maccabee

How often do you see rubber guard in either high-level grappling competition or MMA in general?

You hear it spoken of quite a bit in UFC, especially because Joe Rogan is a high-level student under its exponent, Eddie Bravo, and Joe Rogan is one of the voices of MMA, literally.

But its utilization? Rubber guard is like the "Crazy Monkey" boxing style - it's a fairly different-looking take on conventional wisdom, and there are pockets of individuals who utilize it (Tito Ortiz vs. Liddell in UFC 40-something for CM), but it's not part of the majority

Oh yeah, I realise that, but I'm still surprised that guys who are still very much developing their MMA game (the ones on TUF), as opposed to guys who have been pros for a while and are unlikely to radically change their game, aren't going to it more. I mean, it's been around for a few years now. I guess I overestimated how influential Eddie Bravo is with jits and MMA coaches.

**Fighting Cephalopod** · Posted On: 6/16/2008 4:22pm

Originally Posted by Matt W.

Yeah, I caught that bag of ice. Still, you don't think he also got out muscled some?

Of course he got outmuscled some, but any strength advantage is gonna be significantly magnified if you can barely use one arm.

**Knave** · Posted On: 6/16/2008 5:05pm

Greetings.

The fact that very few if any high level bjj'ers in both mma and bjj/sub grappling ever even mess with rubber guard should make any reasonable person question if it is nearly as effective/universal as the guy selling the books would have you believe.

**3moose1** · Posted On: 6/16/2008 5:14pm

Originally Posted by Knave

Greetings.

The fact that very few if any high level bjj'ers in both mma and bjj/sub grappling ever even mess with rubber guard should make any reasonable person question if it is nearly as effective/universal as the guy selling the books would have you believe.

I was rolling with our blackbelt instructor in class one time. I had him in guard, and managed to pull mission control then new york.

At this point, he grabbed me, and straightened his back, and i was hoisted in the air. The whole time he's just sort of looking at me. I was like...oh shi- and let go of the position, and tried to work for something else.

**SoulMechanic** · Posted On: 6/17/2008 3:14am

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**Kentucky Fried Chokin** · Posted On: 6/17/2008 11:19am

Originally Posted by Knave

Greetings.

The fact that very few if any high level bjj'ers in both mma and bjj/sub grappling ever even mess with rubber guard should make any reasonable person question if it is nearly as effective/universal as the guy selling the books would have you believe.

Keep in mind that very few people actually have the physical attributes to pull off rubber guard.

**PointyShinyBurn** · Posted On: 6/17/2008 11:23am

Originally Posted by Razamataz

Keep in mind that very few people actually have the physical attributes to pull off rubber guard.

It requires a degree of flexibility, but if it requires some hilarious unreal level then you're not doing it right. I can only just about put my foot behind my head, with some pain and much bending at the waist, and I can quite comfortably play rubber guard.

**3moose1** · Posted On: 6/17/2008 11:31am

Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn

It requires a degree of flexibility, but if it requires some hilarious unreal level then you're not doing it right. I can only just about put my foot behind my head, with some pain and much bending at the waist, and I can quite comfortably play rubber guard.

Ha, i can't even touch my foot to my face, and i can play rubber guard well.

well, i can touch my foot to my face after i'm warm/stretched, but its not something i do on a regular basis, as i'm sure you understand (the foot --> face thing)