223983 Bullies, 3943 online  
  • Register
Our Sponsors:

Results 1 to 10 of 20
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Sponsored Links Spacer Image
  1. hairy is offline

    Registered Member

    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    somewhere... over the rainbow
    Posts
    311

    Posted On:
    6/06/2008 8:46am


     Style: Bicep Curls

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Quote Originally Posted by BudoMonkey
    Yah, to the OP - you need to do waaaaay more for any results to show. I do the 1,000 crunches usually in the morning and again at night before I go to bed,
    Isn't it bad to workout your abs everyday? especially when its twice a day...

    [edit my Teh El Macho 2008-06-06 4:00PM EST]

    This thread is the result of posts moved out of this abomination: i can haz 200 ab crunchies, i'm teh leet hax0r, lol - No BS Martial Arts
    Last edited by Teh El Macho; 6/06/2008 2:58pm at .
  2. Teh El Macho is offline
    Teh El Macho's Avatar

    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Porcupine/Hollywood, FL & Parmistan via Elbonia
    Posts
    11,762

    Posted On:
    6/06/2008 8:59am

    supporting member
     Style: creonte on hiatus

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Not necessarily, not if you are already conditioned to do so (or if it's at a volume, however low or high that it's within your ability to perform.)
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

    My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

    t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
  3. BudoMonkey is offline
    BudoMonkey's Avatar

    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Miami, Fl
    Posts
    1,770

    Posted On:
    6/06/2008 10:04am


     Style: MMA

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Yea, I had to work up to that amount.
    Also, abdominals recover very quickly compared to some other muscle groups.
  4. muddy is offline

    Registered Member

    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    164

    Posted On:
    6/06/2008 11:03am


     Style: boxing

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    This thread made me curious.
    I was trying to find a routine that makes sense to me that involves thousands of crunches and I couldnt find one.
    I'm inclined to believe that abs arent that much different from any other muscle. I mean I would never consider doing thousands of light bicep curls everyday. What would make abs so much different that they warrant thousands of light contractions every day?

    Im not trying to crap on anyones opinions, those are honest questions.

    I did come across this: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/vinced11.htm

    Quote
    "2. Thousands Of Crunches:


    Learning how to get a six-pack does not require thousands or even hundreds of crunches a day. So much for the Brittany Spears ab workout! Crunches are decent but totally overused and associated with more being better.

    Crunches are a very general exercise, and general exercises get general results. Excessive floor crunches shorten the abdominal wall, pull your head forward and emphasize poor posture. They also involve a very low level of stimulation which neglects adequate muscle-fiber recruitment. "
    Last edited by muddy; 6/06/2008 11:06am at .
  5. Teh El Macho is offline
    Teh El Macho's Avatar

    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Porcupine/Hollywood, FL & Parmistan via Elbonia
    Posts
    11,762

    Posted On:
    6/06/2008 12:00pm

    supporting member
     Style: creonte on hiatus

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    It's called endurance dude. And muscles are not the same.

    For example, glutes and calves are far more massive and dense than other muscles.

    And yet, calves respond better with much higher reps than other muscle groups. They don't respond well with loads that allow only a low # of reps (in contrast to the gluteus which does respond well to near-maximal loads.)

    The teres minor and infraspinatus (external shoulder rotators) are tinie tiny muscles that need to be exercised, and yet, the best way is with very high number of reps (20-30) for a couple of sets. They are not built to handle maximal loads of any kind by themselves.

    Compare that with the neck muscles. They are very small and yet incredibly strong. They adapt rather quickly to strenght training. They are built to take a lot of punishment.

    And those are just examples. Muscles are not the same, nor react the same.

    Now, the quote that you mention does have truth in it. Thousands of crunches do lead to a shortening of the abdominal wall.

    What it fails to clarify is that shortening of the abdominal wall will be the result UNLESS the lower back and glutes are also worked and if the abdominals and hip flexors get stretched regularly.

    This is where people fail with the zillion ab programs. They focus on the abs but never do anything to maintain flexibilty and muscular balance.

    Hundreds or thousands of reps are not the culprit of injuries or inflexibilities. Not maintaing proper muscular balance and lack of stretching are the causes.

    Plus, many of our muscles are indeed designed for thousands and thousands of repetitions. Think your calves, your hamstring, your hip flexors. What do they do when you walk? They flex and extend.

    What about people who work in construction, in the fields, people who do manual jobs in the developing world, the people in this very country just 80 years ago and before?

    They do the equivalent of thousands of push ups, triceps extensions, bicep curls, isometric contractions of the abdominals, military presses, and fireman carries, day after day after day.

    We are built for multiple reps, for thousands of reps. We seem to have forgotten what exactly we are built for. We exercise now to provide the physical stimulus our bodies were built for, to compensate for the lack of physical stimulus our lives suffer from now.

    We have seriously forgotten what exercising is for and what our bodies are truly capable of doing.
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

    My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

    t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
  6. muddy is offline

    Registered Member

    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    164

    Posted On:
    6/06/2008 12:18pm


     Style: boxing

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    everyone responds differently I guess. Personally, I feel like I get far more out of more intense lower volume ab work than I ever would with megavolume floor crunches.
  7. Teh El Macho is offline
    Teh El Macho's Avatar

    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Porcupine/Hollywood, FL & Parmistan via Elbonia
    Posts
    11,762

    Posted On:
    6/06/2008 1:40pm

    supporting member
     Style: creonte on hiatus

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    It all depends what the goals are.
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

    My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

    t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
  8. Emevas is offline
    Emevas's Avatar

    Dysfunctionally Strong

    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    Minot AFB, ND
    Posts
    6,788

    Posted On:
    6/06/2008 2:17pm

    supporting member
     Style: Boxing/Wrestling

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I seriously don't see much purpose for training the abs for thousands of reps. I use heavy resistance training with my abs, the same as other muscles. My "high rep" work gets into the 15-20 range.
    "Emevas,
    You're a scrapper, I like that."-Ronin69
  9. BudoMonkey is offline
    BudoMonkey's Avatar

    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Miami, Fl
    Posts
    1,770

    Posted On:
    6/06/2008 2:40pm


     Style: MMA

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Emevas -What are some of these heavy resistance drills? I wonder if I already do them, and if not I'd sure appreciate learning them so I can icorporate it into my workouts.

    Like Macho said, it all depends on your goals. If you just want to look good, then doing whatever yeilds the quickest results is obviously best. My goal is to harden my abdomen to protect my internal organs when fighting, and so far my routine of mixing both types of excercises, high-rep and low-rep with varying resistance, has been very effective in this regard. However I would be more than willing to change my routine if it would save me some time while offering as much padding. Do you train for fighting, or for body building? I don't really know if what I do is best. All I know are the results.
  10. Emevas is offline
    Emevas's Avatar

    Dysfunctionally Strong

    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    Minot AFB, ND
    Posts
    6,788

    Posted On:
    6/06/2008 2:45pm

    supporting member
     Style: Boxing/Wrestling

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I don't train for bodybuilding. I really dislike the sport and the training methods. I am presently training for powerlifting, and use to train for boxing.

    The abdominal/core training for powerlifting is designed to keep the abs strong to support a great deal of weight being moved (heavy squats and deadlifts). You can't really "harden" muscles, in so much as you can make them bigger or not bigger.

    I've used movements including ab pulldowns (using resistance bands or cable weight), saxon side bends, Dumbbell side bends, heavy weighted crunches, and ab wheel work. There's a lot more out there, with Elitefts.com having a great exercise library.
    "Emevas,
    You're a scrapper, I like that."-Ronin69
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Powered by vBulletin™© contact@vbulletin.com vBulletin Solutions, Inc. 2011 All rights reserved.