Posted On:6/03/2008 4:51pm
Style: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
The largest BJJ Governing Body is the IBJJF. I hate the IBJJF with a passion. I actually prefer the lack of a unified governing body in BJJ due to the interesting variety of rulesets that have popped up in the US, and think that it's much much healthier for the sport not to have one. The only way I'd accept a unified governing body is if it let higher level belts compete under rulesets as forgiving as Abu Dhabi. The Mundials already have lame enough rulesets, there's no need to exacerbate the situation.
Also, I absolutely do not want BJJ anywhere near the Olympics. I have no doubt in my head that the Olympics are terrible for combat sports (Boxing, anyone? Could you imagine how awful Muay Thai would be as an Olympic sport? MMA?). We have had this discussion multiple times on Bullshido, and every time we do, I become more and more convinced that Olympic involvement would dilute BJJ and subgrappling even more than the IBJJF already has.
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Posted On:6/03/2008 8:08pm
Originally Posted by Cassius
=Also, I absolutely do not want BJJ anywhere near the Olympics. I have no doubt in my head that the Olympics are terrible for combat sports (Boxing, anyone? Could you imagine how awful Muay Thai would be as an Olympic sport? MMA?). We have had this discussion multiple times on Bullshido, and every time we do, I become more and more convinced that Olympic involvement would dilute BJJ and subgrappling even more than the IBJJF already has.
I hear what you are saying about boxing, and TKD for sure, but with grappling, the Olympics has elevated greco roman and freestyle to very great levels. Yes sometimes the matches are boring, but thats because everyones so good. Same thing happens in the college sport. I don't see why if Olympic wrestling is elevated to such a high level in the olympics why BJJ wouldn't be. The only bummer is if it became more of a spectacle like Judo, where they focus entirely now on the throws instead of the ground game that was once intrinsic to the art.
Posted On:6/03/2008 9:56pm
Originally Posted by Gabetuno
The only bummer is if it became more of a spectacle like Judo, where they focus entirely now on the throws instead of the ground game that was once intrinsic to the art.
First, BJJ is not going to follow the path of wrestling if it makes it to the Olympics. It will follow the path of Judo.
Second: The Olympics are not the place for combat sports with fairly unrestricted rulesets. The benefits you suggest, such as ranking and verification of belt level (neither of which is particularly an issue in BJJ), are far outweighed by the introduction of Olympic style rules and refereeing into the sport. International sanctioning bodies that are not all they are cracked up to be. I can post arguments all day and night, but I don't think you are truly going to understand just how bad the Olympics would be for BJJ, because you think it would frickin' cool to see BJJ in THE OLYMPICS. In fact, I doubt you have thought through the suggestions you put forth adequately, or considered the implications of what will happen to BJJ as an Olympic sport. So, I am going to give you a list outlining some potential advantages and disadvantages of BJJ remaining A, how it is, and B, becoming entangled in Olympic politics.
A: BJJ as it is now, disadvantages
It will not receive the international recognition as quickly as it might as an Olympic Sport.
BJJ will continue to be expensive to train in, because expertise in it is still relatively rare
BJJ might not reach its pinnacle in terms of talent as quickly
People who aren't necessarily good for the sport will likely be put in charge of setting rules and policies, ie the Gracie family.
BJJ, as always, will continue to build international recognition on its own terms, such as in MMA.
We, the BJJ players of the world, will continue to police ourselves, and fight fraud as vehemently as we have in the past
The proving grounds for BJJ will remain varied: Abu Dhabi, MMA, The Mundials, NAGA, etc . . .
Basically, we retain control of our sport, and we shape the future of it based on our successes in competition against other arts
B Advantages of Olympic BJJ
It will become famous faster, thus making it cheaper to train in, will push competition in sport BJJ to higher levels, and will allow for a more uniform set of rules so the rules will be the rule in every sanctioned competition.
We will have nifty international rankings so we don't have to think for ourselves, "who is number one?"
Disadvantages of Olympic BJJ
The reffing, as bad as it can be now, will get much, much worse.
We will turn over control of our sport (policing up our own, setting the rules by which we compete) to a foreign sanctioning body that likely does not remotely understand what BJJ is.
The competition ruleset will become more restrictive, removing opportunities for sponsorship and payment, thus removing opportunities for high level competitors to make a living doing what they love. Also, crosscompetition from other arts (judo, wrestling, SAMBO) will likely end up being discouraged more than encouraged, due to the more restrictive rules.
The rules for amateur vs professional BJJ and thus, possible issues with Olympic eligibility, could cause serious problems with most of the best jiujiteiros when taking into account the variety of sports they compete in.
I can keep going, but I'll stop.
Thankfully, Olympic acceptance of BJJ is not going to come anytime soon. It's not practiced widely enough in the world for consideration. Also, it is too similar to Judo. Due to the near universal appeal of MMA, I have no doubt that BJJ will become popular enough in the future for this to become an issue, but not anytime soon. When this does happen, I hope the Olympic committee asks for us to join on our own terms, not theirs.
My final thought: Just as professional boxing is the best place to test skill in boxing (as opposed to Olympic boxing, which is awful, and not even the same sport), my hope is that jiujiteiros continue to see professional MMA as the ultimate testing ground for their BJJ. When it comes to combat sports, the least restrictive ruleset that still protects the fighters is always going to be the best.
Posted On:6/04/2008 8:19am
What he said....
Posted On:6/04/2008 10:20am
I forgot to mention that I honestly believe the Olympics could end up being a way for the Gracies to sink their claws deeper into shaping the future of the sport, which would probably be a disaster.
Posted On:6/04/2008 2:58pm
Style: white boy jiujitsu
Olympic BJJ vs Traditional BJJ vs Combative BJJ
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Posted On:6/04/2008 3:34pm
Style: Kaju, BJJ, Judo, Kempo
Originally Posted by MaverickZ
Olympic BJJ vs Traditional BJJ vs Combative BJJ
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Posted On:6/05/2008 7:50am
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