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    After watching that video, I tried doing that in class, it didn't really work though.

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    YouTube - Sun Style BaGua Zhang application from the 'Lion' form

    Tim Cartmell's students doing it as a Bagua application of the Lion form.

    I do it in karate as an application off of Chinto kata (Chotoku Kyan version, not modern Shorin-Ryu).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domite
    After watching that video, I tried doing that in class, it didn't really work though.
    This one is difficult if you're taller than the other guy, which is probably most of the time for you.
    “Most people do not do, but take refuge in theory and talk, thinking that they will become good in this way” -- Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics, II.4

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    I know this is the CMA forum, but Judo was mentioned earlier. I don't know if this contributes at all.

    The variation of this throw (sukui-nage as mentioned earlier) is exactly what I like to use to counter a bad tai-otoshi.

    I feel all warm and fuzzy inside, good Baji and Bagua look badass, this is what long lost brothers reuniting must feel lke.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jackrusher
    This one is difficult if you're taller than the other guy, which is probably most of the time for you.

    Yeah, he saw me going for it a mile away. It's okay, I beat him up afterwards.

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    Hot Necro Action!!1!

    Another video with some nice demos/training footage by a baji/pigua guy, including this throw several times and the "kua the tree" exercise for which baji guys are sometimes teased:

    YouTube - Baji chuan training system
    (Chen players note the use of elbow at 0:46)

    And a shuaijiao player working the tree exercise on a post:

    YouTube - Shuaijiao Training in Beijing

    ... this is actually a great way to develop the body mechanics for this type of throw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1point2
    I do it in karate as an application off of Chinto kata (Chotoku Kyan version, not modern Shorin-Ryu).
    Where in Chinto?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerAuslander108
    Where in Chinto?
    Speaking of forms, the movement shown in that shuaijiao pole exercise is one of the most common in Shaolin-derived longfist forms and tan tui sets. It's also taiji's Parting the Wild Horse's Mane.
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    I was actually thinking the same thing. I'm going to watch the video & see what I can figure out.

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    It's the opening movement of Naebojin/Naihanchi.

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