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    Traditional shuaijiao solo training method for this throw:

    YouTube - Shuaijiao Training in Beijing

    ... which should look pretty familiar to any Baji player.
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    I often wonder what my old McDojo teacher "borrowed" or "copied."

    We did that as part of our IP/Body conditioning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Rusher View Post
    Traditional shuaijiao solo training method for this throw:

    YouTube - Shuaijiao Training in Beijing

    ... which should look pretty familiar to any Baji player.
    Yep, we do the same thing.
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    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ir0MWNtMv4[/youtube]

    Just join in this discussion today. I didn't know if people had mentioned this already or not.

    This move in Taiji, it's called

    - "Diagonal fly" if your arm is below your opponent's arm (throw your opponent in front of you), or
    - "Wide horse parting mane" if your arm is above your opponent's arm (throw your opponent to your side).

    In Chinese wrestling, it's called

    - "Trunk hitting" if your arm is below your opponent's arm (throw your opponent in front of you), or
    - "Advance squeeze" if your arm is above your opponent's arm (throw your opponent to your side).

    In that clip, his opponent was thrown to his side, it should be considered either "diagonal fly" or "advance squeese". The key point is to let your opponent to sit on your upper leg as a bench. You then use your arm to push him off that bench.

    If you can use:

    - One arm to hold on your opponent's waist,
    - Another arm to pick up his leading leg,
    - Flip him upside down, and then
    - Smash his head straight down to the ground,

    you will get much better combat result. In combat (not sport), even if the throw may be circular, the drop should be "linear". This way you only throw your opponent "half way" and you don't give him a chance to complete his full body rotation in the air (don't give your opponent a chance to do his comfortable break fall).
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    A couple of videos found on Rum Soaked Fist:

    1) Parting horse's mane from Chen Taijiquan



    2) Diagonal Flying (though the hand action is more Mane-ish) from shuai jiao


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    Can't be arsed to go back through the whole thread to check, but we do that one in capoeira too. Rather than use the arm to push back, though, you lean in, put your back against the other person's chest, and then arch, so that it's the big muscles in the back doing all the work.

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    The esteemed Anthony "holy coffee beans did you see that superhero kick at the last WEC event" Pettis also keeps the kung fu in his arsenal:



    Occurs at 1:42, embed code refuses to let me do that for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili Pepper View Post
    Can't be arsed to go back through the whole thread to check, but we do that one in capoeira too. Rather than use the arm to push back, though, you lean in, put your back against the other person's chest, and then arch, so that it's the big muscles in the back doing all the work.
    Yeah vingitiva. But then the other variations in this thread almost look like the opposite which in MMA we would call a hip bump throw.
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    Whether it was intended or not, this thread's a keeper. It shows:

    1) Specific MA techniques,

    2) Describes them in biomechanical terms: stances footwork, et cetera.

    3) Goes over their history

    4) Enumerates variations in several MAs, and

    5) Includes video footage of their performance without a partner to illuminate proper form, then demonstrates practice with a compliant partner, and finally shows application on a non-compliant adversary in an actual fight.

    If I were to add anything to make this an instructional, I'd find some way to convey the progressive drills needed to go from compliant-partner drills to the actual fighting.

    Otherwise, some "instructor" in a non-alive-training MA might simply show the vids to the gullible as "proof" that one can go instantly and sweatlessly from the former to the latter, whether in competition or in self-defense.

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    Another nice "Parting Wild Horse's Mane":



    ... this one form Shen Yi Valencia, the same school mentioned here.
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