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    Anyone ever see any videos of full contact Kung Fu from the 50's 60's or 70's?

    What I mean is, has anyone seen or able to link to anything besides that disgrace in the boxing ring from the 1950s that always shows up? I remember that there were matches in Singapore, in which movies star and triad bodyguard Chen Kuan Tai fought in and won and so on. I am really curious if there is a sudden and fairly drastic change in Asia before and after Bruce Lee? Yes, there was Muay Thai and Kuokushin, but I am specifically asking about Kung fu.
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    Pretty much like you would expect:

    Pretty much like you would expect: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RLl-K4mEQ0

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    Those guys are sloppy, but he, at least they are willing, compared to those two guys in the 50's. Considering that might have been the first time they ever competed it wasn't horrible. Yes, they'd be killed by a decent boxer or a modern MMA fighter, but hey, at least it's full contact. I am still curious if there was a jump in quality after Bruce Lee, i.e., 1974 on, like there was in the movies. Of course, someone could post those HK guys that want to Thailand to get crushed. Any way, thanks for posting that, I appreciate it!

    Those guys are sloppy, but he, at least they are willing, compared to those two guys in the 50's. Considering that might have been the first time they ever competed it wasn't horrible. Yes, they'd be killed by a decent boxer or a modern MMA fighter, but hey, at least it's full contact. I am still curious if there was a jump in quality after Bruce Lee, i.e., 1974 on, like there was in the movies. Of course, someone could post those HK guys that want to Thailand to get crushed. Any way, thanks for posting that, I appreciate it!
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    Well, what about Bruce Lee's entry do you think would have changed this? This "sloppiness" wasn't going to be fixed by Lee's renewal of emphasis on physical fitness or his new techniques of no technique etc. The only fix for this is hard oppositional sparring IMHO.

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    That's true. I guess I wondered if the whole package was considered and had influence? I had seen some old Leung Ting videos with full contact sparring in them, don't know how much or how often they did it. As far as fitness goes, Jackie Chan remarked that up to a point, the guys in his opera troop could do a lot of what Bruce could do, it was only I think they thumb pushups where they took notice. Sammo was really blown away by his speed, but supposedly they still scuffled for a bit over money. Anyway, sounds like there wasn't much of a change until Sanshou/Sanda came on the scene. Thanks for finding this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by new2bjj View Post
    What I mean is, has anyone seen or able to link to anything besides that disgrace in the boxing ring from the 1950s that always shows up? I remember that there were matches in Singapore, in which movies star and triad bodyguard Chen Kuan Tai fought in and won and so on. I am really curious if there is a sudden and fairly drastic change in Asia before and after Bruce Lee? Yes, there was Muay Thai and Kuokushin, but I am specifically asking about Kung fu.


    I would not expect to find much if anything.
    CMAs were not really taught to foreigners until the 60s, and they were still surrounded by much secrecy.
    Video tape wasn't even available to home consumers until the 70s and filming stuff was frowned on in general.

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    Like a tournament? Seems like that might be televised, but then, as you said VCR's were scarce pre 1980. I could see how filming stuff would put people off- you are stealing my technique, etc.

    Like a tournament? Seems like that might be televised, but then, as you said VCR's were scarce pre 1980. I could see how filming stuff would put people off- you are stealing my technique, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChenPengFi View Post
    CMAs were not really taught to foreigners until the 60s, and they were still surrounded by much secrecy.
    With some notable early exceptions.

    Video tape wasn't even available to home consumers until the 70s
    I don't even have any footage of myself fighting in the 80s and early 90s.
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