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  1. Domite is offline
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    5/31/2008 8:42am


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    Does anyone know how to do this baji throw?

    YouTube - Baji contest in Cangzhou 1988

    The first one, about twelve seconds in.

    I see that he kind of shoots in with his leg on the outside of his opponent, but what is he doing with his hands?

    Surley it is not as simple as just pushing him sideways?
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    Watching it six more times, it seems like it will only work if the opponent is going for a kick. Is this accurate?
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    Yes I know the throw. It's called Ying Feng Chao Yang Shou (鹰 凤 超 阳手 ?).

    I have executed it in sparring on more than 1 occasion, against a stationary opponent and as a lead leg front kick counter. This movement is not unique to Baji it can be found in many other CMA systems including Tai Ji. I have seen it executed in SanDa matches in China.

    Essentially the person executing the throw steps in deep behind his opponents lead leg and then uses his lead arm in a fast and forceful motion to push his opponent over his leg. To put it simply it's a big leg trip. If you catch the opponent with his lead foot in the air it does become a little more punishing of a motion.

    When the motion is trained we actually step forward into a Bing Bu (并步)with both arms swinging out and then wrapping in to hug ourselves, we then step forward again with the lead foot into a Gong Bu (弓步)or Ma Bu (马步)and open both arms wide forcefully for torque purposes, which is what you see him doing in the video.

    That's about the best I can explain it, hopefully someone else may come along that can explain it better.
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    5/31/2008 10:55am


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    Thanks, that was very helpful. If it is a tai chi throw too, then my trainer will most likely know how to do it, so I'll ask him today, but it's just a matter of swinging that lead arm hard enough?
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    5/31/2008 11:24am


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    Quote Originally Posted by Domite
    Thanks, that was very helpful. If it is a tai chi throw too, then my trainer will most likely know how to do it, so I'll ask him today, but it's just a matter of swinging that lead arm hard enough?

    Your overall body position is important. If your too shallow in your step, he'll just step out of the trip, if your too deep he may end up being able to post his back to your chest and keep his balance. Also you have some torquing of the hips as the arm pushes, kind of like a forward hip bump while your arm slams him backwards.

    It is a full body motion and requires a good set up, comittment and follow through. Relying just on a hard swinging of the arm may not get the job done.

    I wish you were closer than maybe we could meet up and go over it and it's variations. Let me know if you have any other questions or PM me if you ever find yourself near Columbus Ohio.
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    5/31/2008 11:57am


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    I've used it too. I only get it to work if I've stepped in at an angle to an opponent whose being pressed on parallel to their body alignment, horizontally.

    I think hung gar calls the arm strike/press a gold technique, but I don't know much hung gar. It sure looks cool, in any case.
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    Yeah, that's why I want to learn it. Pulling off flashy **** in comps is the coolest thing about CMA, hands down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Domite
    Thanks, that was very helpful. If it is a tai chi throw too, then my trainer will most likely know how to do it, so I'll ask him today, but it's just a matter of swinging that lead arm hard enough?
    He would certainly know it, and if he doesn't you can probably PM jackrusher for more info. He's thrown me like this during sparring, though he was very gentle about it.

    You also find it in traditional silat, in particular that kind of footwork, for what its worth.
    Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
    and remember what peace there may be in silence.
    As far as possible, without surrender,
    be on good terms with all persons.
    Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
    and listen to others,
    even to the dull and ignorant;
    they too have their story.

    -excerpt of the poem called "Desiderata," by Max Ehrman, 1927.
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     Style: Chinese Boxing

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    Oh hell yeah I know how to do that. My entire kung-fu system is named after that throw.
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    ^^Braggart.

    Bagua and Xingyi have a similar move.
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