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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolling Stoned
    Less than 10 seconds, one word in most cases. Armbar, even better- armdrag- if he's a big guy.
    True. I was leaving extra time if the instructor had to explain what an armbar was, since the TS clearly has no idea.

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    I prefer arm triangle. Why move at all? The guy is already setting himself up for it.

    When Expert Village can answer your question LEAVE YOUR SCHOOL.

    YouTube - Beginning Jiu Jitsu Moves : Arm Triangle Choke from the Guard Position in Jiu Jitsu
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisSeraph
    And as for my TJF club itself, where should I post an appraisal, this thread?
    Start a new thread.

    I'm former TJF myself, left about 4 years ago and took up judo, later BJJ. The problems with TJF lie less with the techniques taught (some of them are versions of good techniques) and more with the training methods used - specifically, the heavy over-reliance on training to defeat a lunge punch in bullet time and the relative rarity of sparring, particularly stand-up sparring. And yes, these weak training methods have over the years led to even good techniques being corrupted (e.g. the TJF's version of tai-otoshi) as well as allowing all the silly wristlock and standing armlock stuff to continue to flourish.

    There are many easy easy counters to your very basic problem. The armbar, a perennial favourite, requires you to have some notion of hip movement. I'd recommend you push the arm off your throat from the side his shoulder is on; you can then attempt the arm triangle shown in the video (though you probably won't get that to work, as it's a slightly more advanced technique) or begin to take his back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinhthekid
    is armbar / armdrag one word really?
    If they weren't before, they are now. :icon_bigg

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    Whenever people try and tap me from from inside my guard - whether it's a choke, keylock, whatever - I find the easiest thing to do is just stick one butterfly hook in underneath their thigh and sweep them over.

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    Cheers for all the replies, I also found some threads here that really helped.

    Sophist - I'll get onto that review.

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    You know the Ju part of Jujitsu?

    Yeah.

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    Yes...

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    I'm being a bit facetious, but it does kinda answer your question.

    Six months is no time at all really training wise, you'll get a feel for it after a few years (and sometimes bigger guys will still beat you, that's just physics).

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    Right... ju being gentle; as in use technique not force? or as in TJF is 'jitsu' (i.e. lacking 'ju') because some British guy bastardised it?

    Either way, fair point...

    But yeah I think when it comes down to it what I gotta accept is that I'm new. I trained tonight and when rolling against my sensei (who's also pretty big), I felt a lot more comfortable when I was thinking of shrimping outta things, moving, hips etc. I mean he still kicked my ass but if he can see me trying to escape/counter he'll kinda run with it, which is cool. Plus I got 2 jujis in a row on a karate guy who cross trains with us who's also sizeable :D.

    Next step: stop instructor sneaking bloody americanas onto me when he transitions

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