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  1. ChrisSeraph is offline

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    Grappling a stronger opponent

    I've been doing jujitsu for about 6 months now, wait for it, with the Jitsu foundation. Now I know you guys don't like a lot of our techniques, and I can understand a lot of your criticisms, but if you're curious about why I intend to stick at that club after having practised a few other martial arts I can explain it to ya. Anyway:

    My question, there's a guy in the class who, whenever we do newaza (groundfighting), I get overwhelmed by. I weigh about 180 and am 6'1", so I'm not small, but this guy is around 210 and near my height, and has been a body builder for 20years or so. Occasionally I'll pull off a choke or a calf grind or a straight armbar (juji), but most of the time he ends up just throwing me and crushing me in a scarf hold or side mount, from which I'm unable to escape. For those of you who don't know our style, we do the traditional JMA thing of either kneeling or coming up on one foot, but never two, but unlike judo, if both parties agree we can used watever we want, pressure points, small joint manipulation etc to get them the hell off.

    Any ideas from someone who specialises in groundfighting? (and I know there's gonna be the smart ass who says take up BJJ so... wait, did I just took the fun out of it for you?)
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    Welcome aboard, ChrisSeraph! The Bullshido staff would welcome you personally, but the thing is they’re busy keeping the peace, so they’ve apointed me, a bot, to pat you on the back and assure you that in no way will you be harmed during your stay here at BS.net. Your views on the martial arts, your philosphy, maybe even your entire reason for being will be challenged, shattered, reorganized, melted down, and forged into something new and shiny, but we swear it will only hurt a little bit… at first.
  3. PointyShinyBurn is offline
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    Posted On:
    5/29/2008 9:57am

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisSeraph
    (and I know there's gonna be the smart ass who says take up BJJ so... wait, did I just took the fun out of it for you?)
    If you already know the answer, why are you asking the question?

    Practice replacing your guard, the primary movement is shrimping on your side and sliding your bottom knee through.

    Really, your question is so general that it's very difficult to give any advice other than 'get better at Jits'. How exactly is he passing your guard? What escapes are you trying and why don't they work?
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisSeraph
    if you're curious about why I intend to stick at that club after having practised a few other martial arts I can explain it to ya.
    Please do.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisSeraph
    Now I know you guys don't like a lot of our techniques
    It's more the training methods, actually.
  4. jnp is offline
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    5/29/2008 10:09am

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisSeraph
    My question, there's a guy in the class who, whenever we do newaza (groundfighting), I get overwhelmed by. I weigh about 180 and am 6'1", so I'm not small, but this guy is around 210 and near my height, and has been a body builder for 20years or so. Occasionally I'll pull off a choke or a calf grind or a straight armbar (juji), but most of the time he ends up just throwing me and crushing me in a scarf hold or side mount, from which I'm unable to escape. For those of you who don't know our style, we do the traditional JMA thing of either kneeling or coming up on one foot, but never two, but unlike judo, if both parties agree we can used watever we want, pressure points, small joint manipulation etc to get them the hell off.
    I'm looking for your question in this paragraph, but I'm not seeing one. What specifically are you asking?

    If it's "How do beat stronger guy?", the answer is mat time and good instruction.
  5. Omega Supreme is offline

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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnp
    I'm looking for your question in this paragraph, but I'm not seeing one. What specifically are you asking?

    If it's "How do beat stronger guy?", the answer is mat time and good instruction.
    What he said...word for word.
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    Posted On:
    5/29/2008 10:47am

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    Also, get your butt to the gym. A little more strength, a little more technique and you'll be more than halfway there.
  7. ChrisSeraph is offline

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    5/30/2008 2:04am

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    Apologies for not knowing how to quote in replies:

    I would like to one day take up BJJ but time's a great limiter, and I'm looking at doing some muay thai at the moment. To answer jnp, I do go to the gym, one of my many limiters of time. I also do a lot of cardio and distance running, so I don't really want to weigh 100kg, but for my size I'm plenty strong.

    Fair enough comment on the vagueness, I'll give you an example of him not passing my guard. Instead, while in my guard, he uses one hand to grip his gi while squaring the other arm in relation to my neck and then proceeding to choke me with his forearm. If I've got my chin down or blocked it somehow he just leans his weight on 'til my arms give out or my jaw feels like it's gonna pop out and I tap... How would I avoid this?

    And as for my TJF club itself, where should I post an appraisal, this thread?
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    Posted On:
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    I barely even qualify as a BJJ white belt, and even I know that there is no way you should be letting anyone forearm choke you from your guard. If you've asked how to stop it and your instructor hasn't told you in literally 60 seconds or less, leave your school.
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    Posted On:
    5/30/2008 2:32am


     Style: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Off
    I barely even qualify as a BJJ white belt, and even I know that there is no way you should be letting anyone forearm choke you from your guard. If you've asked how to stop it and your instructor hasn't told you in literally 60 seconds or less, leave your school.
    Less than 10 seconds, one word in most cases. Armbar, even better- armdrag- if he's a big guy.
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    is armbar / armdrag one word really?
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