Yes, of course and Kempo is teh serious.
Originally Posted by Kempo Chris
There is a ton of shitty Kempo (No CL doesn't save it all), kung fu (Cung Le doesn't save it all), Krotty, etc.
Really why isn't his in the KMA forum?
Proper trained TKD is fine. I've met a few good practitioners that changed my mind years ago.
Originally Posted by sum yung gai
Like Errant said. when TKD started to spread it was used as a marketing tool and a promoter of national pride. during this campaign it got watered down an commercialized.
in some mags you can find interviews with old school Masters and thier tales of men in black suits or theres this one dude....i cant remember his name cause i lost the mag. he does Korean Karate and he was approached by Gen Choi at least 3 times
to "convert" over to TKD. alot of people did this cause it allowed them the opportunity to come to America or go to another country an open up a school under the TKD banner an many fell into the money/greed trap.
my Dad was stationed in Korea an he has similar stories to yours about TKD training lol. when i trained in the Caribbean it was pretty harsh..... but when i went home on emergency leave last year......it seemed like the MA scene has gotten kinda soft.
I saw some Mcdojangs when i was in Korea too but the school i trained at was pretty cool an we would also train with the ROK army an Katusas.
theres some other schools alot of them we call "rogues" who train an fight hard.....but especially with TKD it jus requieres alot of fishing around for a decent dojang.
does anyone happen to know how the spread of Gong Kwon Yusul is going outside of Korea?.........i wanted to take that up but the nearest spot was like 2 hours away from where i was at.
I prefer to call them maverick TKD schools.
Originally Posted by Shinobi_Osiris
There's a thread in the KMA forum on Gong Kwon Yusul & what happened with it.
I started WTF TKD in 1978 or thereabouts. Yes, we kicked each other hard, and there were some hard body punches thrown as well.
Originally Posted by sum yung gai
During the '80s, every time my 7th-dan instructor returned to Korea for a tournament or conference, he'd come back with a set of revisions, especially to sparring techniques and drills. Personally, I felt that a lot of them were kind of silly and they had the effect of watering down TKD sparring by making it increasingly specialized. I quit TKD around 1987, mostly because I didn't like where it seemed to be heading.
I've never seen "stripmall TKD" except by glancing in storefront dojang windows, but my general sense is that it is pretty far from what we were doing in the late '70s.
I kind of wish Taekkyon had been available when I started MA training ...
Just not for Cracka McWhiteystein.
I know it was available in Korea; I remember my instructor showing us a Super-8 film of a smiling, elderly Taekkyon master repeatedly kicking the legs out from under a young TKD chap.
O I know I am abhorred at the amount of shitty kempo places - I usually don't advise people to train kempo. There are some good TKD schools and practicioners, but they have been rare in my experiences.
Originally Posted by It is Fake
The 'old-school-was-the-real-hard-core thing' will never really be resolved. BS or not?
Video was not as common back then as it is today, so every opinion will be squawked by nuthuggers on all sides.
What's past is past. Those who want the old-school, the full-contact bareknuckle without pads, might possibly still find it. Those who are used to it but can't find places that do it any more can either go to whatever's available and supplement it with--for lack of a better term--'personal Kyokushin' (Oyama did, after all, self-train and self-condition after being dissatisfied with the watered-down **** he was finding in dojos).
Or--lacking any place that trains you nearly as hard as you'd train and condition yourself--you can choose what IIF calls the 'path to self-destruction': take whatever you learned in the old-school place you used to go to and build upon it on your own, finding opportunities to put the results to the test via sparring (such as going to TDs as often as possible and finding someone there who's willing to go all-out with you).
The latter is where I am right now, as there are no old-school or Kyokushin places near to my residence. Fortunately, I have thirty years of Karate and a kinesiology degree which allows for some objective testing criteria to be used, but that last is hardly a prerequisite: Oyama didn't have one, and--it turns out--didn't need one.
Last edited by Vieux Normand; 5/27/2008 3:01pm at .
You just described my 6 years at a college tae kwon do club. Some of the most productive time I've spent in martial arts to be honest with you.
Originally Posted by Vieux Normand