5/26/2008 11:07am, #1
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Lyoto Machida = most divisive fighter
On Sherdog and elsewhere, I have never seen such extreme views on this guy. People either love his tactics or hate his conservatism.
Personally, I love him. He proves that perfected TMA is superior to cut-and-paste, watered down combination of rudimentary Thai boxing and wrestling that 99% of UFC fighters use. I definitely see BJJ losing a bit out to Karate in the long run as Machida keeps winning.
5/26/2008 11:08am, #2Originally Posted by Nord
You're a retard.
5/26/2008 11:09am, #3
I wouldn't say that he fights like a Karate guy, but he certainly uses a lot of the principles, such as engaging and retreating as his opening closes up (as opposed to other fighters who choose to stand and bang, risking a knockout) and you also can't discount his BJJ training that he falls back on in case the fight hits the floor.Knowing is not enough, you must apply...
...Willing is not enough you must do ~Bruce Lee
5/26/2008 11:09am, #4
I agree with him being a divisive figure. Everything else, not so much.Dedicated to legs and the disrespecting thereof.
5/26/2008 11:21am, #5
1.) Please don't have children.
2.) Let me explain to you what makes Machida different from 99.9999% of TMAists. He spars people who train in other styles under MMA rules on a daily basis. He is physically gifted, with very fast reflexes and extremely good hand-eye coordination. He is very intelligent, which is clearly not the norm, as you have just proven. Because of his physical gifts, he would likely be a very good striker, regardless of what style he trained in. Just so there is no confusion, I am not trying to deny the influence of Karate on Machida's striking style. It is very clearly there, and it makes him very interesting to watch. I love it.
However, if Karate gets the credit for Machida's successes, then it also has to take some of the blame for his shortcomings. Machida is not a finisher on his feet. He has all of 3 TKOs to his name, at least one of which was more from a cut than actually knocking the guy (Bonnar) out. Most of his fights are won by decision, with remarkably little activity. He simply does not put KO power into his strikes.
So, like any other "style," the way Machida fights has drawbacks, some of which he's overcome by crosstraining. Which brings me to the final point of my post: Why do you take a jab at BJJ in your post when Machida himself is a BJJ black belt?"No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal
5/26/2008 11:26am, #6
A single fighter doesn't prove anything other than that he's great. I think Machida is a great fighter to watch -- very technical and slick, and his karate training does help him be that slick. He's not a murderer or anything, but there are plenty of those guys and I think they tend to be more fun to watch at LHW and HW anyway.
It's also amusing to see all the predictions regarding how Machida isn't gonna slip away from THIS GUY or THAT ONE before every fight and he just fucking does it every time.
5/26/2008 11:34am, #7
One thing I will say about Machida: I'd really like to see how he does in a 5 round fight. The pace of a longer fight might be more conducive to him knocking people out."No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal
5/26/2008 11:43am, #8
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He may be a BJJ black belt, but he's been training shotokan for much longer and uses it way more then he uses BJJ. I've seen a bunch of threads here that have picked apart Machida, but his long stance, low hands and (as pointed out above) his movements in and out and very much shotokan fundamentals.
I'd say he's boring to watch if you like brawling, but if you are into the technical aspect of MMA, he's one of the best.
5/26/2008 11:44am, #9
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His combos are excellent thats one thing I observed about him, but they aren't exactly combos they're more like - Agility, Kick, Punch, Stance, Move Round and thats how he decisivley beat Ortiz.
5/26/2008 12:39pm, #10
Machida is not divisive he is just elusive