So many people need to understand this it hurts.
Originally Posted by The Question
i punch like a fucking girl so i pretty much just kick all the time
This is my situation. I rarely kick at all because I'm deathly afraid of being taken down. My advice would be to work on your takedown defense (obviously), which is what I'm doing too.
Originally Posted by MrHuggables
It would also be a good idea to feint the kick when you know they want to counter, then hopefully they'll leave themselves open for your hands.
Too many strikers rely on their kicks too early. Even if you suck at punching, throw a few and then follow up with kicks at the end of your combos when it's harder to look for and catch them.
This is pure arm chair quarterbacking from a guy who has never done Muay Thai or kickboxing in his life, so take it as you will:
Originally Posted by The Question
It seems to me that leg kicks can leave you open for a reverse punch/right cross counter if you don't set them up with a jab or something (and sometimes even if you do.) Look at Wanderlei Silva's last fight, he took Jardine's leg kick square on the thigh, didn't even try to check it, just ignored it and went full bore ahead with looping punches.
That's because Wandy has legs like fucking rebar and concrete. Unless you are comfortable with taking a baseball bat to the thigh you should not fight like Wanderlei.
This whole thing frightens me. The Question is being both sensible and incredibly correct. I'm starting to wonder if he's truly as big a troll as he appears to be or if it was all just a trick.... Sneaky bastard.
Vince the real reason is because Jardine's form sucks. There is a reason they call him an "unconventional" striker. That's another word for someone that hits hard despite bad form. These people usually have big holes in their game that go unexploited for a long time because they have a good chin or are really aggressive. Chris Leben comes to mind.
Point taken. Although I believe I have seen other people get rocked while trying to throw leg kicks too....I'm not going to debate striking mechanics, because I don't know enough to even be intelligent, it just seems to me that leg kicks are sort of like body shots...good to use, but they need to be set up, and you can't start off a striking combination with them. (For instance, Sherk landed several leg kicks on BJ Penn, but it was always after Penn had moved out of reach of Sherk's punching combinations.)
Last edited by WhiteShark; 5/28/2008 2:35pm at .
Throwing any strike leaves you at risk for getting caught with something on the counter. The right cross is a textbook counter to the leg kick. Typically, the kicker can avoid this by stepping off angle ie, moving from directly in front of the kickee. This not only takes you out of his punching range, but adds power to the kick. Of course, bear in mind you might be stepping towards the opponent's power side, but that isn't really all that relevant.
Originally Posted by Vince Tortelli
Alternatively, you can just parry the cross when it comes. Starting with punches usually keeps you safer too.
Regarding not starting off a combo with a leg kick:
You can if you want to. It's not that big of a deal. Many people will start a combo with an inside leg kick and follow up with a right cross and so on. The inside leg kick is much easier to throw, even lower risk, but you can't really hurt someone with that.
Also, let's not forget that you can counter a right cross with a leg kick. Right cross comes, throw leg kick. The repositioning of your body to throw the kick will put you outside the punching range. Personally, I love doing that ****.
Sean Sherk is not the best person to watch to learn about kicks. Neither is Jardine. Paul Taylor would be a good guy to watch, be he keeps losing because he can't actually grapple or defend takedowns.
Originally Posted by Goju - joe
Just a little side note, I was unsure if kicking an elbow was such a painful experience as I thought it was so I took a little refreshment today while sparring and yes, it is as painful as I remembered it.
So if you kick try not to hit the elbow.