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  1. Crackers is offline

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    Guided Chaos aka Ki Chuan Do aka Ghost Fist aka AttackProof: Practioner Quotes

    So I read all fiddy pages of that shitacular escapade with the Guided Chaos/Ki Chuan Do/Ghost Fist/AttackProof "challenge" and would like to repay (or torture) you all in return with this fabulous collection of GC/KCD/GF/AP quotes.


    The Original Guided Chaos/Ki Chuan Do/Ghost Fist/AttackProof "Challenge"
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...t=guided+chaos



    These quotes were taken from the youtube comment pages. It gives a pretty good idea of how the GC practitioners feel about theirselves and others.



    If you don't want to read all this shiat, basically:

    1) Their guru is a living legend

    2) Crime scene forensics gave their founder special insight when developing GC (Fights are chaotic. See, very insightful, right?)

    3) They hit harder than anyone, and their strikes are lethal

    4) They have the best fighters in the world and can whoop grapplers and mma sport fighters

    5) They don't train for sport fighting, they train for the streets

    6) You should go to their site and buy their book




    Taken from: http://www.youtube.com/user/mattkovsky
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    Our teacher has a resume that rivals anyone in the reality fighting arts. Over 200 documented bloody street fights and numerous high profile and secret bodyguard assignments. He's trained the Pope's personal bodyguards and the guards of a former French president. I dont care who the grappler is or what kind of "wu-jitsa" you know, this stuff operates on a different mindset. It cuts to the chase faster than rolling around with someone to gain control. Sorry but it's a way more practical style.

    In fact, the man who created the components in this system John Perkins, has broken lots of arms and legs. John was a cop that was called to "crimes in progress" in yonkers during the 70's then worked in crime labs during New York City's worst years of violence in the 80's. Yonkers was severly undermanned at the time, the fbi said they should have a force of 10,000 but were limited to merly half of that. John said they had to institute "hospital patrol" at night to keep criminals from roaming.

    The creator of attackproof was in over two hundred documented "real fights" and countless undocumented ones - working for years as first responder to violent crimes in progress in one of the highest crime neighborhoods in the USA.



    We train with people from all backgrounds all the time and we consistently prove that even though we aren't perfect we do indeed have "one" if not "the" best systematic methods of training for an anything goes fight that's available.

    you are nothing more than one in a long line of 100s, maybe even 1000s of martial artists who doubted the effectiveness of this system but came in to train with us and realized quickly that you've been misinformed and improperly trained for a real fight. Sparring is not the same dynamic. Going full contact is far easier than controlling someone with variable force. Also, going full contact is easy enough that if I did it someone's going to the emergency room. That's just foolish.


    When I train with people like RobJT, they never come back because he knows his b.s. religion won't work against someone that doesn't play within that dynamic. For his kind it's a religious thing. lol!


    Guided Chaos teaches you to hit with devastating power while on the move. We are "unavailable yet unavoidable". Come to class and feel it if you think its a lie.

    we don't train to get sportive submissions, we train to survive. I ask you: would you fight differently if the goal was to save the life of your daughter rather than win a trophy?



    As extraordinary as Bas Rutten is, if he trained with someone skilled in Guided Chaos even he would admit that they are among the elite fighters in the entire martial art community(at least privately). Eye gouges only represent one tiny part of a much more complex set of principles in Guided Chaos.

    You have no idea what you are talking about. I've trained with that guy and let me tell you, he's literally one of the most skilled fighters you'll ever come across. He's like Anderson Silva on steroids with internal principles and adapted for real fighting. You literally CAN NOT get a solid hit on him.



    Our "slaps" feel like bricks hitting you from ten stories up. We hit with the force of about 2.5 times our bodyweight without having to chamber or pull back. This is de-mistified internal hitting.

    People who haven't trained Guided Chaos do not understand or believe the devastating power of dropping energy. If an advanced GC practitioner were to go full contact he would run a huge risk of literally killing his "sparring partner", even through all kinds of padding and protective gear.

    This is a very funny comment. This guy is not even *trying* to hit the guy who is trying to lock him. If he did hit him with "brute force" i.e. for *real*, the lock attempter would be unconscious or dead in less than a second.

    A slap from one of us will be completely unified from the ground up and if you're as inexperienced as I suspect it'll probably create some significant internal damage when done with real force.

    As far as the "slaps", you have to put this in context. This is a demo, not a fight to save your life, and the slaps would be replaced by axe hands to the neck and spine. I have been hit by a few "light" ones to the neck and trust me, you're not getting up. You defend the takedown by inflicting damage.

    I'd go so far as saying that dropping energy is the absolute most efficient way to produce powerful strikes that you can train in. As I've said, the guy in the video is seriously going out of his way NOT to step in and as the video clearly states, ALL STRIKES ARE PULLED.

    WE ARE ACTUALLY THE ONES WITH THE STRONGER STRIKES. Most of you will never believe me until you feel it for yourselves. Oh well.











    Guided Chaos is not sport fighting. It is training for real life, life threatening situations. You don't seem to understand the difference. Being highly skilled at eye gouging, trachea smashing, testicle ripping etc., combined with every imaginable strike with full dropping power from every imaginable angle that could easily kill a grappler... that's not permitted in the UFC. Plus, no-one wants to go to jail to prove a point. Come to a class with an open mind and you'll understand.

    Also, the only way YOU know how to deal with grappling is by grappling back. It may be the popular perception, but it's not reality.

    As for the ground stuff, I admit that it looks silly. When you actually try one of the traditionally popular ground fighting methods against it, they just don't work. You just can't set up any type of positions.


    On the other hand, and this is may seem contradictory, but the high level grapplers who train with us can indeed get their grappling off in many real conditions.


    loma RobJT needs to get out more!! A lot of grapplers like the missionary position" I mean the guard" , but I try to stay away from all of that!!! lol

    Many, MANY (including highly experienced grapplers and wrestlers) have tried to do just that, and failed.

    Never mind that we have had Ju Jitsu fighters all the way up to black belt level and college wrestlers train with us and quickly realize that the stuff you're talking about is 100% false.

    Contact Flow is Wing Chun, boxing, Tai Chi and Muay Thai on steroids.




    Take this guy off balance? To any of us who know this guy and have actually trained/sparred/grappled with him, this comment is a huge LOL! He has a level of balance that is off the charts. The harder you'd try to take his balance, the faster you'd be on the ground...unconscious.

    You don't seem to understand that he's not even *trying* to hit the guy who is trying to lock him. He is merely demonstrating that the guy can't lock him *even though* he is not hitting the lock attempter. And no, if you tried to choke this guy FOR REAL, he would not need to move his neck fast, because you would be unconscious before you could touch his neck.

    The high level fighters in our system have the physical savvy to already be hitting, crushing and stomping while someone is trying to lock, flip or double leg them. Also, on concrete you cant drag your knees like on a mat to get the low take down making it far easier to play "find the head" against an oncoming grapple.

    Come to a class, feel for yourself then call it crap if you want. But don't be suprised if you get served cause many of the fighters here are world class and can hit like nobodys business.



    trying to grapple him will result in immediate destruction of your body. Trust me, you won't survive a real altercation with this man.

    You can even try the triangle. When we have a black belt in your religion training with us, I think we have some idea of the limitations of grappling and locks.

    Once the grappler finds out the kcd man is serious, it is to late. You don't have a second chance!

    Also, sorry to disappoint you, but this system makes stuff like wrestling and grappling obsolete. I've felt it firsthand so I know. Not to mention, they've worked with countless people from those backgrounds.

    Grappling will NOT assist getting to your feet; too methodical plus takes too much time.

    Sprawling may prevent a takedown from one person, but the entanglement will help you hit the ground easier when the other 2 dive in.






    Contrary to what you may believe, our training is based on actual experience and forensic homicide reports.

    Board breaking is impressive but since the human body is comprised primarily of water, forensic homicide research shows hitting wood and brick is not the same as hitting flesh, even with bones in it...



    Whoever hits hard and fast first - esp. to vital areas - is going to win. Locks will be useless and impractical, unless the guy is already incapacitated from strikes, in which case who needs locks, other than cops?

    I'm willing to bet that you MMA nuthuggers that come on here arguing with us about common sense and logical FACTS have ZERO real world fighting experience outside from a possible shoving match or two in the locker area of your suburban high schools.

    MMA doesn't prepare students for street self defense.

    There is no such thing as a skilled double leg takedown when things get chaotic. Watch videos of takedowns in UFC and street and they never happen in textbook fashion. If it does, it's even EASIER to deal with than a sloppy tackle.
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    Do you really need a better argument that this?

    YouTube - Bullshido Presents: The Next Generation of Groundfighting

    Unfortunately, these idiots managed to fool somebody at the New York Times website, because they did a multi-media web piece about these dorks. As some kind of self-defense for the executive.
    Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
    and remember what peace there may be in silence.
    As far as possible, without surrender,
    be on good terms with all persons.
    Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
    and listen to others,
    even to the dull and ignorant;
    they too have their story.

    -excerpt of the poem called "Desiderata," by Max Ehrman, 1927.
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    whoa, long winded
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    You lost me at "their strikes are lethal."

    Normally, I'd play you off as a complete idiot, but you put so much effort into your post, that I feel you deserve your own title. Congratulations, you are officially the Retarded Descartes of the Martial Arts world. Larpo ergo balatro sum. Look it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uri Shatil
    You lost me at "their strikes are lethal."

    Normally, I'd play you off as a complete idiot, but you put so much effort into your post, that I feel you deserve your own title. Congratulations, you are officially the Retarded Descartes of the Martial Arts world. Larpo ergo balatro sum. Look it up.
    Actually I think he took the whole thing from some larper's youtube page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Off
    Actually I think he took the whole thing from some larper's youtube page.
    Then he's just a Retarted Descartes Scholar of the MA world. Doesn't change a thing.
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    As much as they talk about their fighters and their martial art being "on steroids" maybe they just really wish they had some. Actually some of the guys on the youtube vids look like they already do.

    I want to learn axe hands. They totally sound like Maxwell Smart Judo chops and I need to perfect them. Imagine dropping the whole weight of my hand on somebody from like a foot above his head. That's like eight, maybe ten ounces if I use the left hand with my wedding ring and watch on it. Oh yeah. I'm heading to the megathread on this one now...
    *sings: "chop chippy chop choppy choppity chop chop..."
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    I wonder who the BJJ black belt they claim is training with them is and who he got his rank from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless44
    I wonder who the BJJ black belt they claim is training with them is and who he got his rank from.
    It's Riddick, and he got his rank from Santa Claus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrGalt
    I want to learn axe hands. They totally sound like Maxwell Smart Judo chops and I need to perfect them. Imagine dropping the whole weight of my hand on somebody from like a foot above his head. That's like eight, maybe ten ounces if I use the left hand with my wedding ring and watch on it. Oh yeah. I'm heading to the megathread on this one now...
    *sings: "chop chippy chop choppy choppity chop chop..."
    That's like saying a punch is weak because its only using an eight to ten ounce hand.
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