Bigger, Stronger, Faster: A new movie about steroids.

**nightowl** · Posted On: 5/19/2008 8:42am

Originally Posted by Teh El Macho

Nope. At least, I don't deny that.

My argument is that the average Joe will never get anywhere with steroids, because, well, he's an average Joe. A diligent athlete is not an average Joe. He/she already has what it takes to make them work for his/her athletic goals.

Case in point: me. I'm an average Joe. I could pump my ass with roids, but I would not get anywhere beyond feeling and sleeping better. I'd need to train my ass intelligently to get them to work.

Exactly, and that's what makes the difference between the average Joe, the casual lifter, and the athlete who actually trains rather than works out (more on that later.)

No, I don't think they'd get as big or strong or faster as they are without using them. But they were already bigger/stronger/faster than the average joes. They were already athletes. They were already in a position to make them work (as opposed to the dudes who cluelessly inject themselves with them without having what it takes - physically and mentally - to make them work.)

Seriously, I've seen pot-bellied, chicken-legged people injecting themselves in the locker rooms of LA Fitness and Golds Gym... and they still eat like crap, bicep curl until cows come home, lightly run on the threadmill for 40 minutes as they feel good about it.

That is my contention. Steroids do not make one get bigger faster and easier. There is nothing easy about it. The person using them has to haul ass to make them work. He has to train, not just work out. It's not a panacea for the average Joe.

Unless a person is really committed to an intelligent, aggressive program (be it for grappling or lifting), mid-long term, that person should not waste his money on it.

Conceeded. :eusa_boohI'm still going to look into that survey.

**nightowl** · Posted On: 5/19/2008 8:56am

Alright- here are the details:

The survey was taken by Dr. Bob Goldman, President of the National Academy of Sports Medicine, in 1994. The survey group was of 198 athletes described as 'aspiring Olympians'. When asked the following questions;

-If you were offered a banned performance-enhancing substance that guaranteed that you would win an Olympic medal and you could not be caught, would you take it?

and

-Would you take a banned performance-enhancing drug with a guarantee that you will not be caught, you will win every competition for the next 5 years, but will then die from adverse effects of the substance?

195/198 said they would take substance A. 50>% said that they would take substance B, even knowing that they were to die.

Sources: Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics (http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...ull/117/3/e577), Sports Illustrated (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200.../us.doping.ap/)

**nomamao** · Posted On: 5/21/2008 10:46am

Well, cheating and not getting caught is kind of a no brainer for anyone, but the death thing would throw me for a loop. But, 5 years of being on top of the world and still not being caught might make it all worth it.

I understand where those athletes are coming from.

But, really... I'm not sure why an average Joe would do roids, but I do understand why competitive athletes would.

I still think having a Roid Olympics would be great and that those that were "clean" could still compete on the "nice side" of the fence, and then we can watch records get SHATTERED all the time.

It would be like watching american gladiators or something.

**A.D.D** · Posted On: 5/21/2008 11:46am

Originally Posted by nightowl

Alright- here are the details:

The survey was taken by Dr. Bob Goldman, President of the National Academy of Sports Medicine, in 1994. The survey group was of 198 athletes described as 'aspiring Olympians'. When asked the following questions;

195/198 said they would take substance A. 50>% said that they would take substance B, even knowing that they were to die.

Sources: Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics (http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...ull/117/3/e577), Sports Illustrated (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200.../us.doping.ap/)

That sounds like a productive survey.

What would you do for a Klondike Bar?

Edit: Although Klondike bars exist.

**Teh El Macho** · Posted On: 5/21/2008 11:52am

Originally Posted by nightowl

Alright- here are the details:

The survey was taken by Dr. Bob Goldman, President of the National Academy of Sports Medicine, in 1994. The survey group was of 198 athletes described as 'aspiring Olympians'. When asked the following questions;

195/198 said they would take substance A. 50>% said that they would take substance B, even knowing that they were to die.

Sources: Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics (http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...ull/117/3/e577), Sports Illustrated (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200.../us.doping.ap/)

Ok, now I see what you were referring to. That's the typical mentality of an athlete (not necessarily on taking steroids, but on taking risks, sometimes mortal risks, to achieve their athletic goals.)

This is no average Joe mentality.

**Jadonblade** · Posted On: 5/21/2008 1:12pm

Originally Posted by nomamao

Well, cheating and not getting caught is kind of a no brainer for anyone, but the death thing would throw me for a loop. But, 5 years of being on top of the world and still not being caught might make it all worth it.

I understand where those athletes are coming from.

But, really... I'm not sure why an average Joe would do roids, but I do understand why competitive athletes would.

I still think having a Roid Olympics would be great and that those that were "clean" could still compete on the "nice side" of the fence, and then we can watch records get SHATTERED all the time.

It would be like watching american gladiators or something.

And dont forget the cyborgs! and manimals!

**Kentucky Fried Chokin** · Posted On: 5/21/2008 1:53pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, or if this has already been stated, but don't steriods just allow you to train harder and longer?

**Teh El Macho** · Posted On: 5/21/2008 2:09pm

Yep, the let you train harder and more often, primarily because they allow you to recover faster. When you train, whether is lifting, grappling or running, you abuse you body. It needs to recover from its wear and tear (and from injuries). Steroids do that. All the other benefits (greater strenght, stamina, or size) stem from accelerated recovery alone.

That was also stated here in this post in this thread: No BS Martial Arts - View Single Post - Bigger, Stronger, Faster: A new movie about steroids.

**nomamao** · Posted On: 5/21/2008 3:25pm

Originally Posted by Jadonblade

And dont forget the cyborgs! and manimals!

There's already a guy from South Africa that's trying to make it into the Olympics for running WITH NO LEGS, and he's got a shot. I don't know if he's made it by now or not, though. So, yeah, Cyborgs, and manimals are on their way.

But, steroid freaks need their own playpen. I'd hate to try and compete against a steroid monster when I'm "clean" and lose out just because my body is running at optimal and his can run on overdrive.

**nightowl** · Posted On: 5/21/2008 4:02pm

Originally Posted by nomamao

There's already a guy from South Africa that's trying to make it into the Olympics for running WITH NO LEGS, and he's got a shot. I don't know if he's made it by now or not, though. So, yeah, Cyborgs, and manimals are on their way.

But, steroid freaks need their own playpen. I'd hate to try and compete against a steroid monster when I'm "clean" and lose out just because my body is running at optimal and his can run on overdrive.

I'd pay to watch a cyborg olympics. Cyborg sychronized swimming anyone?

That sounds like a productive survey.

What would you do for a Klondike Bar?

Edit: Although Klondike bars exist.

Would you kill a man?