Bigger, Stronger, Faster: A new movie about steroids.

[socratic]

Nightowl, anabolic steroids don't give you 'super powers'. As far as I understand them, they (sometimes drastically) reduce the recovery time between workouts, meaning an increased rapidity of growth and strength development.

[nightowl]

SOMEONE PLEEZE THROW ME A FROG TO LICK, I WANNA BE AN INSANT SUPERHUMANG!!!1

Fool. You either need roids or a radioactive spider for that.

Nightowl, anabolic steroids don't give you 'super powers'. As far as I understand them, they (sometimes drastically) reduce the recovery time between workouts, meaning an increased rapidity of growth and strength development.

Superhuman. Yeah, I went there biOtcH. Your average joe taking steriods is going to grow faster wih less effort. Put in someone who puts in a lot of training/supplements AND give them seriods, and you push the boundry of what the human body can do to where it is almost impossible without juicing. This is especially true in major sporting competitions.

They put in the work for sure, but to get those amazing records and speeds, they are temporarily going outside the bounds of their own abilities and turning to roids. Sure it is still them, but if they installed a bionic arm it would still be them technically setting the record. The trend althetes have set for young people wanting to go somewhere is very dissapointing to me. Almost as dissapointing is the 'it cant be helped' attitude given even by those who arent dependent on drugs for success.

[socratic]

Fool. You either need roids or a radioactive spider for that.

Or a magic ring, a special serum (many kinds of those), or magic, or to kill a dragon, blindness, etc

Superhuman. Yeah, I went there biOtcH. Your average joe taking steriods is going to grow faster wih less effort. Put in someone who puts in a lot of training/supplements AND give them seriods, and you push the boundry of what the human body can do to where it is almost impossible without juicing. This is especially true in major sporting competitions.

Impossible without juicing =/= superhuman. Superhuman suggests greater than human, something which humans aren't capable of, and as you can clearly tell, with the growth boosts of steroids, these are all things that can be achieved using nothing more than chemistry and the human body.

They put in the work for sure, but to get those amazing records and speeds, they are temporarily going outside the bounds of their own abilities and turning to roids. Sure it is still them, but if they installed a bionic arm it would still be them technically setting the record. The trend althetes have set for young people wanting to go somewhere is very dissapointing to me. Almost as dissapointing is the 'it cant be helped' attitude given even by those who arent dependent on drugs for success.

That or they're vastly decreasing the timeframe necessary to achieve such peaks of strength. But you still need to lift all those weights, more so than a non-juicer. And your bionic arm comparison is an incorrect one- a bionic arm is a machine, a juicer is just a human with tweaked biochemistry. It's not like steroids spots you when you lift or something.

But you're right, there's far too much pressure to achieve through steroids these days in a lot of sports. I doubt competition bodybuilding or weightlifting would exist with the same kind of talent or prowess as it does today without 'roids.

[Emevas]

Fool. You either need roids or a radioactive spider for that.





Superhuman. Yeah, I went there biOtcH. Your average joe taking steriods is going to grow faster wih less effort. Put in someone who puts in a lot of training/supplements AND give them seriods, and you push the boundry of what the human body can do to where it is almost impossible without juicing. This is especially true in major sporting competitions.

They put in the work for sure, but to get those amazing records and speeds, they are temporarily going outside the bounds of their own abilities and turning to roids. Sure it is still them, but if they installed a bionic arm it would still be them technically setting the record. The trend althetes have set for young people wanting to go somewhere is very dissapointing to me. Almost as dissapointing is the 'it cant be helped' attitude given even by those who arent dependent on drugs for success.

Why do you use a picture of a guy on synthol when you're talking about steroids? They're not even remotely close.

[SuperGuido]

Why do you use a picture of a guy on synthol when you're talking about steroids? They're not even remotely close.

I learned something new today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid

[Teh El Macho]

Your average joe taking steriods is going to grow faster wih less effort.

Dude, just... no. Really, no.

[Domite]

Nightowl, anabolic steroids don't give you 'super powers'. As far as I understand them, they (sometimes drastically) reduce the recovery time between workouts, meaning an increased rapidity of growth and strength development.

And an increaced rapidity of bitch tits.

[Teh El Macho]

And an increaced propensity for bitch tits, specially if they **** up their PCT

There. Fixed for ya.

[nightowl]

I learned something new today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid

As did I. Dammit, you are making me read more about steroids and performance enhancing drugs than what I read in Time magazine. I hate learning.

Impossible without juicing =/= superhuman. Superhuman suggests greater than human, something which humans aren't capable of, and as you can clearly tell, with the growth boosts of steroids, these are all things that can be achieved using nothing more than chemistry and the human body.

Humans aren't capable of it without chemistry, so I am going to stick to that definition. So there.

And an increaced rapidity of bitch tits.

Although a lame superpower, it still beats out aquaman.

Dude, just... no. Really, no.

Could you explain things further? You are in the weightlifting culture where taking enhancements doesn't seem to be too looked down upon. 'Steriods' is a catch all term but I'm sure that there are many different methods and substances that do different things.


On a side note, anybody hear of that poll in the 80's where 80% of Olympic althletes surveyed would take a pill that would make sure that they would win gold? The catch was that they would die in ten years but if they didn't take it they would never win.

Of course there are 3 kinds of lies- Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

[Teh El Macho]

Could you explain things further? You are in the weightlifting culture where taking enhancements doesn't seem to be too looked down upon. 'Steriods' is a catch all term but I'm sure that there are many different methods and substances that do different things.

Easy.

#1. The average Joe will never grow, roids or not. The average Joe is a fucking couch potatoe.

#2. The average gym-going Joe is a cardio dude who fumbles around with dumbbells once in a while "to tone", but never gets anywhere.

#3. The average gym-going Joe that lifts weights more often is a bicep curling fag... nuff said.

#4. The average gym-going, non-bicep curling Joe does try to weight train, but is uneducated. He's in better shape than most people, but he'll never add more than 10-15lbs of lean mass (this is assuming he leans first.) He simply works out for fun, for an ideal, for stress relieve, all of these being excellent, commendable reasons. But he does not train. Working out =/= train.

Simply put, the average Joe doesn't do ****. The creme-de-la-creme average Joe that actually tries to bust his ass does not have a precise goal. Busting his ass (or what he feels to be busting his ass) is the objective, not the process to reach a very specific and well-defined objective (being athletic performance of some sort or bodybuilding.)


Steroids does not make you grow faster and easier.

Steroids facilitates your ability to bust your ass harder and more often by allowing you faster recovery, for de-inflamation, and for injury healing. THAT'S WHAT STEROIDS DO!

Steroids also facilitate muscle hyperthrophy, but only occurs with your ability to heal faster (and assuming you are eating well and training intelligently, fumbling with weights until you pass out won't do that, even if you inject that **** by the gallons.)

In fact, you can pump your ass with roids by the gallon and hit the weights hard, and still you would not grow. You need a comprehensive training, nutrition AND RECOVERY program to go along with steroid supplementations to grow.

This is the same for other sports. Lou Simmons himself has said that one can never do powerlifting on a regular basis without using steroids. You can't be deadlifting 800lbs on a regular basis without steroids fixing the wear and tear of such sports. This is the same reason Francas used them, to heal.

That's what they are for.

If you train hard and intelligently, you will grow, roids or no roids. Steroids facilitates that growth, but it's not easy. It doesn't make it easier. The entire process is not easy. To say it helps you grow faster and easier is innacurate, and it has no applicability for the average Joe.

People who use steroids successfully, be it for bodybuilding, powerlifting, or anaerobic capacity (.ie Marion Jones) or to launch a ball into orbit (.ie. Barry Bonds), these are hardly average Joes. The average Joe will never do **** with them. Steroids are not the panacea for average Joes, so please never again put "average Joe" next to steroids on the same sentence.

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That's the main reason I've never used them. I cannot commit myself to a program that would make them useful. It would be a complete waste of money.