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  1. mike321 is offline

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    The Bush administration was simultaneously evil geniuses and complete incompetent fools! Everyone knows that!

    Serious question, what three post 911 policies would you have handled differently than the Bush administration?

    I like to hear people's opinions on this in a way that limits the scope of the discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike321 View Post
    what three post 911 policies would you have handled differently than the Bush administration?
    It's a fair question.

    1. Patriot Act
    2. Gitmo
    3. Invasion of Iraq
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike321 View Post
    Rabbit,
    Serious question, what three post 911 policies would you have handled differently than the Bush administration?
    I'd rather have changed his pre 9/11 policies, particularly related to terrorism. Since I can't change anything, discussing them here is as big a waste of time as discussing the merits of Youtube conspiracy videos.

    But that's what you get when a billionaire playboy gets the White House. Seven years after the worst terrorist attack in American history, you get the 2nd worse financial collapse...and people think it's a coincidence or a conspiracy. Nope, just your typical, everyday negligence led to both.

    The end product? Internet-fueled video garbage that will probably outlive your kids. Whether it's 9/11 or the Moon Landing, the internet conspiracy junkies just "want to believe".
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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    Newsflash: religion AND government service creates nutcases.

    Given what we now know about the competency of the Bush Administration, I find the entire premise of a 9/11 conspiracy absurd; the side effect of pop culture soaked, 21st century schizoid society.

    So X-Files...damn you Mulder and how you brainwashed an entire generation into believing the government was not only evil but actually competent at keeping secrets...


    Nope, it's always been far cheaper for the US to start wars by blowing up things overseas.

    Using planes on the other hand does make sense if you happen to be a terrorist cell who want to avoid smuggling bombs into the country.
    but you believe that Saddam had WMDs, right? I bet you believe in the Gulf of Tonkin Incident as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanniballistic View Post
    No correction needed when I am right - the US constitution has **** all meaning globally by the way

    9-11 was religiously driven
    you think that the CIA is religiously driven???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southpaw View Post
    It's a fair question.

    1. Patriot Act
    2. Gitmo
    3. Invasion of Iraq
    Here are mine:
    1. Policy to govern Afghanistan. We should have warned the world that other than countering the act of war from the Taliban we had no responsibilities there.
    2. Not holding military tribunals for detainees immediately. The world may not have liked it because the rules of war are harsh; we could commute sentences if we needed to; but we should have had the tribunals quickly. Could have invited observers? Unfortunately too many people would take trials related to war crimes as an opportunity to attempt to put the us on trial.
    3. Dubious alliances with supposedly friendly countries.

    Pet peeve: the constant 911 grieving and flags still at half mast as fighting men were going into harms way. The grief was real and the country needed it. But the president is also responsible for leading the country from mourning to a fighting state of mind.

    Iraq is not on my top three list because I think we were in a bad strategic position there after gulf war 1. Also troop deployment related to gulf war 1 was bin laden's casus belli for attacking us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Jude View Post
    you think that the CIA is religiously driven???
    Do you actually believe the CIA commited 911? If so, why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike321 View Post
    Do you actually believe the CIA commited 911? If so, why?
    why do you think that 9/11 was religiously driven?

    & then we talk in circles.... whatever, kenpo boy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Jude View Post
    why do you think that 9/11 was religiously driven?

    & then we talk in circles.... whatever, kenpo boy
    Because of the stated agenda of the perpetrators and their leaders. Other than that, I don't have anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike321 View Post
    Because of the stated agenda of the perpetrators and their leaders. Other than that, I don't have anything.
    religion is the opiate of the masses, not for those who are in control of things. & you should research the Taliban, where they came from, how they were formed and who backed, armed, and trained them.
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
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