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  1. kwoww is offline
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    Obscene Overpronation - Advice?

    I've recently tried to start training like a real person and not a Taekwondouchebag (for now, roadwork plus bodyweight and light dumbbell stuff), but I've realized that I have a serious problem:
    My feet are flat as a board and overpronate like hell, and it's causing all sorts of problems. Running is obviously an issue, but so are deadlifts, squats, and just about any lift that involves standing and using your legs, since my knees and ankles cave in and everything is totally unaligned.

    I had gone to a podiatrist and got orthoses to correct my pigeon-toed-ness, but that was something like five years ago. And although I finally have another appointment coming up, it's not for quite a while.

    In the meantime, I'm wondering if there's anything I can do in the meantime. Specifically, shoe recommendations would be nice, or maybe if there's some other stuff I can do in place of real lifts until I get this looked at and hopefully corrected.
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    Go barefoot when you lift. If that's no an option, Chuck Taylors or Wrestling shoes.
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    I had problems with this like 15 yrs ago. I picked up some Birkenstocks cork inserts. They're formed to give you an exagerraged arch and since they're cork you can file/rasp/shave them down.

    They made a big difference, I was living on NYC and walking on concrete all day long. I haven't worn them reguarly in the past few years. It seems like I've strengthened my feet with all this Sambo/Judo standup work.

    Which would be my next suggestion, SUKOI: those Sumo squat&rise up into standing splits.

    I'm no podiatrist, btw. But the official inserts are custommade and can cost $400.
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    also do anything Emevas tells you to do. He's no podiatrist, but he plays one on tv.
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    I have the same problem and I wear wrestling shoes to squat. I recommend Nikes as they don't have arch support.
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    Another option to Chuck Taylors or wrestling shoes are the Vibram Five Fingers. I rarely work out in a gym, so I have the luxury of being able to train barefoot. I have a pair of the classics that I wear when I have to train in a gym (legal liability issues usually don't allow barefoot lifting). I also wear them for hiking/rucking. Besides the Vibrams, I'm usually either barefoot or wearing slippahs (flip-flops for all you mainlanders) a lot. Give your feet a chance to heal themselves by letting nature/evolution work it's magic.

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    ^^^ Oh man, I so wanna get me one of those.

    serge, raz, I also use a pair of ASICS for lifting (though I lift barefoot at home). Sometime back I used a pair of Chuck Taylors (I feel I prefer the ASICS because of the slight arch).

    For the OP, I recommend that he runs on grass whenever possible. It's a bit hard on the ankles at first, but after a while they get strong (and your soles will thank you for it.)

    It's very possible you have dorsiflexion inflexibility due to your pronation. So I venture to say your problems with deadlifts and squats are not directly due to the pronation, but due to the inflexibility at your ankles (lots of ankle stretching and running on grass should solve that problem.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    It's very possible you have dorsiflexion inflexibility due to your pronation. So I venture to say your problems with deadlifts and squats are not directly due to the pronation, but due to the inflexibility at your ankles (lots of ankle stretching and running on grass should solve that problem.)
    Yup, I can trace it back to traning in Sambo: lots&lots of ankle work that started to reverse the flat-foot trend for me. thx
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