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    Rofl, I think he meant that with all seriousness.

    You know, there is a lot of good things that can be gleaned from the old books, pre-mcdojo era stuff that got left behind in a LOT of arts. I have a couple of Mas Oyama's (Choi Yong I) books and there's some great stuff in them.

    I do remember when I started in TKD in the 80's, sweeps, arm locks etc. But then my instructors lines came from MDK, so they might have kept some. I think when all the Kwans came together under the different headings, much was dropped or not included under the 'Taekwondo' banner. Weapons for example, perhaps much of the grappling as well.

    Anyway, I'm looking forward to getting/reading the book and finding out more.
    Thanks again.

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    I was serious. Chun comes from the old era & was actually a dojang mate of my first instructor. He was there for Korean karate & the genesis of Taegwondo.

    But then you have his student, whatshisname, putting out the same old crap. The first chapter of his TKD book starts out with a Hwarang jump crescent kicking a dude off a horse. What...the...****...

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    I'd have to check, but I think he was in the same dojang as my instructors as well, although about 3 years before maybe. It'd be like looking at the family history, great stuff.

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    We could be like...long lost cousins!

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    Heh, yep, small world ;).

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    Reading a copy of that book from the library in town is what made me pick TKD in the first place. Bleh. I harbor a little resentment at the bait and switch I suffered.

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    I know the feeling, K,

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    The TKD that I trained in from 1987 to 1997 looked like Savate with shin, elbow and knee techniques and some Sanda throws. The Hoshinsul aided joint locks, judo throws and stick and knife techniques)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zendokan
    The TKD that I trained in from 1987 to 1997 looked like Savate with shin, elbow and knee techniques and some Sanda throws. The Hoshinsul aided joint locks, judo throws and stick and knife techniques)

    ...and the knives only came out when sparring was between Flemings and Walloons?

    Anyway, sounds like a last-bastion kind of TKD school: the pressure to olympicize must have been pretty heavy all over the place. Kudos to them for hanging in so long...

    ...and oh, for a return to roots.

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    Money rules the world. You don't go for Olympic TKD/competition, no public funding (in Germany), no public funding --> rising fees... you know how it goes.
    I would not train anything if I would have to pay what you people pay in the US. I pay 25 (
    insurance included) a month, 15 if I tell in advance I can't make it to more then 4 classes the month. I can drop out with a 1 month notice. No way they could offer those rates/conditions without the funding.
    Same for the WTF they get money for being Olympic, sponsors and all. But to be Olympic they had to go extreme lengths (look how the rules and all changed within the last 20-30 years).


    Good thing tough TKD is almost all the same in general all over Europe (aside from what your trainer adds to the training), some clubs may emphasize more on full contact, other might go for Forms still you can switch clubs, even countries, no bigy.


    PS: What big organisations you have over there in the US? We got WTF/ETU(sub org of WTF)/DTU(sub org of the ETU), some ITF and a few Kwon Jae hwa and very few black belt centres. Maybe this is a reason too.

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