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  1. Melkolmr is offline

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!

    Is This The Most Legitimate Method?

    In my BJJ school, generally we're taught a few techniques from a certain position each class, we drill them, we drill guard passing and then we roll live.

    Only problem is, I'm a dopey white belt with no fundamentals.

    Don't get me wrong, I really like training there. The people are great, the instructors are very talented, and obviously the other students are picking up the material. I'm just not certain that, at least at this point in time, I'm going to get very much out of the approach. I feel like a syllabus of some sort would make more sense for me, i.e. learning and mastering the basic bottom guard attacks and sweeps, opening and passing from guard top, and so on in a sort of logical progression. The white belt-specific classes may or may not address this, but circumstances have me invariably barred from them for the foreseeable future.

    Is this method the most viable, and I should just keep going and hope to pick up the basics?
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    I would say yes but what is the alternative?
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  3. Melkolmr is offline

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    I don't know that there is one, especially because as far as schools go I can't really go anywhere else. It would seem that my only possible choice would be that, or teaching myself out of the Gracies' books as well as training one-two times a week at the school.

    Would the risk be too great of acquiring bad habits? It seems like the books are pretty comprehensive, and cover mostly everything. Might I supplement my time in class with learning and practicing techniques from instructionals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melkolmr
    In my BJJ school, generally we're taught a few techniques from a certain position each class, we drill them, we drill guard passing and then we roll live.

    Only problem is, I'm a dopey white belt with no fundamentals.

    Don't get me wrong, I really like training there. The people are great, the instructors are very talented, and obviously the other students are picking up the material. I'm just not certain that, at least at this point in time, I'm going to get very much out of the approach. I feel like a syllabus of some sort would make more sense for me, i.e. learning and mastering the basic bottom guard attacks and sweeps, opening and passing from guard top, and so on in a sort of logical progression. The white belt-specific classes may or may not address this, but circumstances have me invariably barred from them for the foreseeable future.

    Is this method the most viable, and I should just keep going and hope to pick up the basics?
    How long have you been training? Also if you think in terms of "hope", you may as well quit. Seriously. Barring classes for white belts, you have no choice but roll and roll.

    But before going any further, have you talked to your instructor or your more experienced partners? Doesn't your school have an open mat day where you could meet up with someone and perhaps help you with some basics? How about privates?
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    5/11/2008 12:52pm


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    Training about five months, not as regularly as I would like.

    I will talk to one of my instructors about it, although I'm not confident that I'll get an answer besides "roll and roll," and it seems to me that that's just a totally inefficient way of going about it. I honestly feel (feel, not know) like I'd be better off drilling out of a book at my level.

    The open mat times are right after the classes, and since the only days I can make open mat are the days I go to class, I'm usually shot by then anyway.
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    Posted On:
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    There are lots of answers, but just off the top of my head...

    Noone ever feeds you positions that look exactly like the pictures. No matter how perfect your technique is, you need to roll with people to learn how to recognize what those situations look like in real life.

    timing timing timing

    pressure pressure pressure

    rolling drills in some basic rules in ways that you won't learn them drilling, because you get penalized when you don't.

    Basically you are drilling into your head a set of learned reactions, most of which you are only barely aware of while you are doing it. Memorizing series of moves is the method of learning, not the content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melkolmr
    Training about five months, not as regularly as I would like.

    I will talk to one of my instructors about it, although I'm not confident that I'll get an answer besides "roll and roll," and it seems to me that that's just a totally inefficient way of going about it. I honestly feel (feel, not know) like I'd be better off drilling out of a book at my level.

    The open mat times are right after the classes, and since the only days I can make open mat are the days I go to class, I'm usually shot by then anyway.
    I'd like to point out that the first few months you are not going to learn much other than in getting better at using your body on the ground. And frequency will dictate how well you learn. If this were an inefficient way to do it, don't you think this would have changed long ago (I mean, this has been going on for decades, producing a kazillion of good grapples - the proof is in the pudding man.)

    Rolling and rolling and constant feedback from your partners and instructors is what will get you to lean your basics. You can always opt for privates, and if available, white-belt level classes. People learn by this system. As I said, the proof is in the pudding.

    You won't go far drilling out of a book dude.
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    The white belt-specific classes may or may not address this, but circumstances have me invariably barred from them for the foreseeable future.
    i believe that every question, answer, and thoughtful point in this thread must be viewed in light of this quote.
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    just fucking train.

    Your going to feel like your making huge progress, then your going to feel like your not making any.

    Just keep fucking training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melkolmr
    The open mat times are right after the classes, and since the only days I can make open mat are the days I go to class, I'm usually shot by then anyway.
    Even more reason to do them. When you're tired you have to rely more on technique instead of muscling through things.
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