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  1. The_Tao is offline

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    5/11/2008 3:43pm


     Style: Proudly Shaolin Do.

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    Heel. Use it
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     Style: Not sure anymore

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    I've always used the heel and have had no problems/injuries kicking that way.
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     Style: Siling Labuyo Arnis

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    On the use of the blade of the foot, I would like to quote JKD instructor Makoto Kabayama: "you wouldn't walk that way, why the hell would you want to kick like that?"
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     Style: punching bag / crew jitsu

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Use the heel. If your foot is tight (which it should be if you want your knees to work in 10 years and your kick to hurt), you'll end up hitting with the blade anyway.
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     Style: Kenkojuku Karate, Judo

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    For the first number of years I trained on linoleum or cement, and the class wore sneakers. Bigass high tops were the norm then, and although you learned blade day one, everyone including the instructors used heel. If your shoe's sole is chunky, you stand a good chance of turning your ankle over.

    After we moved into a nicer setup with mats and such, we went barefoot and most of the people who actually drilled and used sidekick regularly in sparring gravitated back towards the blade. I can only take some educated guesses why; it wasn't really a conscious thing we decided at a meeting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Petter
    I no longer practice karate, but I've long been curious to see the blade version of the kick actually applied. I know from personal experience that you can really rock a bag with the heel version, and that even a small guy can knock the wind out of me with ease whilst going light, but I've never seen anyone hit anything with the blade variation. Anyone here able to compare what it feels like to hit a heavy bag hard with the different kicks?
    I still use my heel sometimes in practice (the variety helps keep basics interesting), so I'm not judging the heel version based on a kick that's cockeyed because I'm completely unused to throwing it. I do kick hard for 185, and I can hit the bag hard either way.

    Mind you that when I say "blade", my foot is turned over and I'm using the area over the ankle and heel and about 2 inches past it up the foot. I'm not hitting way up along the blade towards where my toes are. The line of force from my leg still goes out relatively straight from my leg. The heel version feels a wee bit stronger to me on the bag, but it's only a slight difference. An observer wouldn't notice any difference. I'm not advocating the use of the blade as better per se, just saying I've never had I've never twisted my ankle, had my foot explode, etc.

    Fyi, there's totally nothing special about being able to hit a heavy bag hard with the blade; lots of people can do it. Just saying, it's not like I'm spearhanding through coconuts or anything here.
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     Style: BJJ/C-JKD/KAAALIII!!!!!!!

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    English, ************.
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     Style: TKD, BJJ

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    If you are hitting something with it, heel. If you're just being pretty use the blade.
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    5/18/2008 1:00pm

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     Style: white boy jiujitsu

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    Quote Originally Posted by sayno2ringworm
    side kick with blade of foot is good for slipping through openings like between chest and chin to strike the throat or side of neck can be very effective
    This is the kind of irresponsible and false statements that get passed around "TMA" circles that have turned arts like TKD to crap.
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     Style: Kenkojuku Karate, Judo

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    I would claim that it does sometimes glance downwards off guarding elbows (driving home a semi-ok kick still) instead of connecting solidly and fucking up my foot.
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    5/22/2008 11:35pm

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     Style: jujutsu

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    When I did Kenpo years ago I was taught to use the heel only for sidekick.
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