5/06/2008 12:44pm, #31Originally Posted by angrypedestal
I tend to agree with white shark in that putting you to sleep is different than KO'ing someone.
You can always tell them afterward "that was at 25% intensity" or whatever, if they don't believe you...****'em.
5/06/2008 12:44pm, #32Originally Posted by Geordi LaForge
If you can make your opponent fall on his ass by parrying his punches and kicks well enough, I think you can pretty clearly demonstrate your superiority.
5/06/2008 12:45pm, #33
I don't know what the **** Whiteshark is going on about. You can in fact dominate someone in striking to the same extent as in grappling and not hurt them. I've sparred with motherfuckers who I couldn't touch, or moved much faster than I did and thought "goddamn, this guy is much better than I am".
They slipped, moved, landed shots, and it hit home "I'm not on his level yet".
On the other hand, I've rolled with guys who went easy on me and though "oh, my grappling doesn't suck as much as I thought it did".Originally Posted by Goju - joe
5/06/2008 12:48pm, #34
See that's my point if you end up saying "Who cares. I know this person sucks." You haven't really improved anything by inviting them to a throwdown/letting them test their game.
I purposely said improved not proved because one of the original goals of the throwdowns was to improve the standards of the martial hobbyist.
As far as the Silva Franklin thing goes if that is your example you are essentially saying you have to be a World Class striker before you can show someone why their striking sucks without hurting them. I hope that is not the case.
5/06/2008 12:50pm, #35
I agree with WS. My standup sucks. I just odn't have the killer instinct (yet). For those that do, they just pound on me. Slipping and moving does not provide the same level of awareness of dominance that pinning someone does in BJJ. I can pin you without submitting you and you can work your way out. Striking doesn't really have that. Either you hit me or I hit you.
I said to someone in my school "I wish someone in muay thai would treat me like I treat the noobs in BJJ"...maybe it just isn't quite possible to get the same feeling out of it.There is no cheating, there is only jiu-jitsu.
5/06/2008 12:50pm, #36Originally Posted by It is Fake
5/06/2008 12:50pm, #37Originally Posted by WhiteShark
5/06/2008 12:55pm, #38
WS...just TELL THEM YOU WERE GOING EASY. If they then want to go harder, go harder. Problem solved.
5/06/2008 12:55pm, #39Originally Posted by MaverickZ
5/06/2008 12:56pm, #40
Geordi nailed a point i had skipped before perfectly.
To demonstrate superiority in the first place you do have to that good in the first place,anyway.
- if the other guy sucks that much at striking, and if you are that good *in comparison*,you can play cat and mouse with him,and never have to hurt the guy.
Ive done it to particularly uncoordenated but enthusiastic wt nutrider who wanted to "spar". i have to say theres something funny when you can *slap away* chain-punches(im not talking about of pak-sao,i mean just old fashioned smacking). i dont recall doing more than shoving him back as a counter because i didnt want it to come to sticking,where he´s claim my chun "technique" was what was beating him.
-regardless i didnt have to punch him at all and because i wasnt being an overt ass about it, and took the time to share what i thought could help him improve what he was doing,the guy didnt have any problem admiting that he did need to work on his game.
now,if we had been of equal skill,and common sense wasnt on the menu,i could see it getting ugly as we had to escalate it to one-up the other. but that could also hold true in grappling. what if your grappling game isnt that solid and you have to put the hurt by straining his ligaments in a hold\lock to make him tap out?