Object Lessons: Striking vs Grappling

[Escrimator]

Kintanon:

-to get tagged and manhandled around widouth being able to return the favor in an aceptable ratio is hardly "holding your own" in my book.


About the self-deluded guys, those type of people are not the norm to wich training and learning parameters should be at. they are the exception (hopefully) and not the rule.

Ive also met people who tought that they could defent against weapons bare-handed,but i didnt stab the dumb fucker for real to "set the point".

Accept no substitute to common sense.

[Kintanon]

Lol. I didn't know.

[Kung-Fu Joe]

About the self-deluded guys, those type of people arent are not the norm to wich training and learning parameters should be at. they are the exception (hopefully) and not the rule.

Unfortunately, this is exactly what people have been saying, here-- self-delusion IS the norm for people who train ineffectively.

--Joe

[Escrimator]

You know we have that example right here on this forum right?

He complained that lighter contact sucked so he couldn't show his superior skills while he was getting owned.


Now, he cries about not wanting black eyes and hating contact.

*sighs* ive known a couple of guys like that.
How some people assume escalation will magically turn things in their favor when taking it easy didnt is a mistery to me.

[WhiteShark]

IIF Do you want to spin off my posts and the couple replies into it's own YMAS thread? I am surprised at the interest.

[It is Fake]

IIF Do you want to spin off my posts and the couple replies into it's own YMAS thread? I am surprised at the interest.

Yeah, I'll see what I can do. This is actually an interesting discussion.


Give me a title name since, we will start with your post.

[Kintanon]

What more can we add to this now though? Whiteshark is right, it's a lot harder to demonstrate total superiority in a striking art without beating your opponent halfway to death. Especially if your opponent is already thoroughly armored with a delusional believe in the deadliness of the techniques.
Even the dirt ninja that Hedge humiliated came back with a "Well, if it had been real I'd have killed you" kind of thing, and that was after being demonstrably humiliated in a grappling match. Imagine standup sparring with the same guy and just working the footwork and some light contact. He would go away absolutely certain than in a real fight he would go through you like a chainsaw.

Maybe we can talk about ways to demonstrate that superiority in stand up sparring?
I think Whiteshark did a great job in our spar at the Mega with takedowns allowed. The trips and the occasional kick whiffing just past my face didn't hurt me, but they definitely let me know I was out of my league.

(Incidentally, I wants a rematch, MMA rules, so I can get equally mauled with t3h grappling next time)

[WhiteShark]

I tend to believe this is a fundamental difference between striking and grappling but does anyone have experience getting the point across while exclusively striking without really dropping bombs on someone?


Yeah i didn't bring it up before but I asked for takedowns/sweeps on purpose because i tend to think it gives me an out.

[Roidie McDouchebag]

In my experience, they're a lot more similar than you think WS. There are people who just won't tap in grappling unless you hurt them and won't tap to chokes at all. I've had to injure people to give them a reality check in grappling plenty of times.

I tend to believe this is a fundamental difference between striking and grappling but does anyone have experience getting the point across while exclusively striking without really dropping bombs on someone?

I find that if you just parry or block every single shot they throw, you can actually not throw any back and they still get the point. If you aren't good enough to do this, of course, then it doesn't work.

[Kintanon]

Superior defense is always a good way to demonstrate general superiority. The most recent Anderson Silva vs Rich Franklin fight had a good example where Silva stood there with his hands down and just went matrix style on Franklin.