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  1. dinnerpig is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    h_sh_m, when was the last time you checked yourself with a chiropractor AND a massage therapist, or at the very least, a massage therapist (someone that does that painful type of massage known as myofascial release/deep tissue)?

    Several sessions of myofascial release will do wonders to anyone regardless of the injuries. Injuries just don't occur out of the blue (you know this already), and scar tissue accumulates over time causing a lot of problems (poor circulation, nerve impigment, muscle lenghtening/weakening causing its antagonist to shorten, etc.)

    A chiro should also take a look at you. A herniated disk ends up flaring pain somewhere else, usually the extremities (aggravating ****.)

    I'll echo JC's suggestion of doing Yoga for several months. Ashtanga, Iyengar or Bikram/Hot Yoga (Ashtanga being the hardest in terms of strenght training, Iyengar uses a lot of props to compensate for people's inflexibilities, and Bikram is done in a hot room to improve elasticity.)

    Taking care of injuries, however long it takes, is not giving up, quitting or wasting time dude.
    Amen to that. I've been gone nearly 2 months from training rehabing injuries. It will suck the first month but your body will thank you for it later.
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    I was also going to ask about your nutrition, man. You getting enough protein? Using any supplements? Good multi-vitamin? Flaxseed? All that kind of stuff can affect post workout recovery.

    I recently separated my shoulder (I think), but it was a very minor separation. Took one week off from Judo during which time I did some light lifting and stretching of the joint. Came back and trained no problem. It was hella sore again after, but by the next morning it was better again. Plus, you're 27... Pushing 30. As a 36yo, I'll tell ya that as you get older some things just... stay with you. I call it the "new normal." I mean, yeah my ankle's fine. 100%. But that's according to the new normal. 100% ain't what it used to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    h_sh_m, when was the last time you checked yourself with a chiropractor AND a massage therapist, or at the very least, a massage therapist (someone that does that painful type of massage known as myofascial release/deep tissue) ?
    Never been to either. I'm on a shitty HMO so it's unlikely they'd cover it, however at this point I've decided it's worth just paying for on my own if that's what it comes down to.

    I've read your and others'previous posts about myofascial release and I was under the impression it was for parts where a discernable bump had formed underneath the skin. eg: When you hit your shin for example and there's a sore bump there for weeks. In fact I was thinking of trying this for small things that hurt (instep, etc.) but that I wouldn't classify as injuries.

    However, the parts that I'm talking about (traps, inside elbow, wrist, etc) when inspected visually or by touching, don't feel or look any different from uninjured parts, to me.


    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho and Others Talking about the same thing
    I'll echo JC's suggestion of doing Yoga for several months. Ashtanga, Iyengar or Bikram/Hot Yoga (Ashtanga being the hardest in terms of strenght training, Iyengar uses a lot of props to compensate for people's inflexibilities, and Bikram is done in a hot room to improve elasticity.)
    I've decided I'll definetly do this. I went to a large bookstore today and started reading up on yoga and pilates, just so I know something about it. Eh, it doesn't seem so tough. I'll choose a class this weekend and start this **** as soon as my current condition allows me to do so safely - because there are too many people raving about the benefits for me to not try (including my primary care physician who tells me I must get on this ****). Also, I'd drive myself crazy if I didn't replace some MA time with something else.


    With regard to the possibility of a herniated disc, I don't think this is the problem because I can trace each of these injuries to a specific cause. However, 'till i get more money or a better insurance plan, I'll run it by my PCP. He's a Sports Medicine specialist whose last assignment was working with a pro football team.


    Quote Originally Posted by A.D.D.
    you should take large doses of fish oil for your joints.
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt W.
    I was also going to ask about your nutrition, man.
    When I first started I was just using a multivitamin. After the first string of BJJ/MMA related injuries I improved my diet generally to reflect the higher activity level. I also began to use whey protein and occassionally a meal replacement shake (Ensure Plus) if I felt I hadn't eaten enough or covered enough bases on a particular day.

    This is how it stayed until (believe it or not!) I read that frikkin thread on the (here it comes!) Human Weapon forums! Yup, the one you posted in Matt. You know where that chick says she's basically a vegetarian then describes how she still enjoys meat and fish?

    Anyway, since reading it and doing further reading elsewhere (including Bullshido forums) I've added Fish Oil and Glucosamine to my diet. But overall I've been eating well for a while so I think I'm covered in that respect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt W.
    Plus, you're 27... Pushing 30. As a 36yo, I'll tell ya that as you get older some things just... stay with you. I call it the "new normal."
    Yeah see, that's what definetly fucked me. The long interim I took between the ages of 18-end of 25 where I didn't do ****. Stepped back into the game thinking nothing had changed.


    Anyway, finally I'll say this:

    - When I posted the other day I was kinda in the 'lamentation' phase. Although I still intermittently look to the heavens and shout, "Whhhhhy?!" I'm at the 'try to work around it' point now. So I definetly appreciate everybody's straight to the point suggestions.

    - If I have to take time off then that's what it is. But I intend it to be an absolute maximum of 2 months and hopefully less.

    - Also, reading this post I realize that some things make me seem hella ignorant. But the fact is I've never been involved in athletic stuff and even when I started MMA I wasn't very interested in it generally and the competitive/athletic component specifically. Obviously this position has changed dramatically and there's alot of **** to learn in very little time. But I read, both online and off, waaaaay more than I post. So despite critical gaps in my knowledge I do feel I'm becoming pretty knowledgable in the science of training fighters.

    You know, just a disclaimer so if you see me advising/arguing with other people after exposing the dumb **** i went through myself, y'all don't catch an attitude like, "bow to my superior knowledge!"
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    Wow

    Unlucky dude.

    I used to weight train & do general cardio between 24-30 which kept me in good shape but I always had on/off problems with my back (sciatic nerve - i think?) to the point a chiropractor advised I go to a back scan after he could do no more (never did as pain eased off before I could get appointment).

    I started full contact Muay Thai about a year ago (at 31) & built up to training 2-3 times a week training (plus extra cardio) & about a month ago I started MMA classes where I mainly work on my take downs & ground game.

    It has done nothing but improve my back to the point I feel the problem has completely gone. My health has greatly improved & I have very few illnesses now. I have had many bruises, bloody noses and even some badly bruised ribs but nothing that has stopped me training. I train full contact in Muay Thai & wrestling/bjj & I mainly see people hurt there selves by not using proper technique (ie hitting toes on pads/holding pads wrong!) or spazzing out on the mat (saw someone dislocate their shoulder on their 1st class - oww!!).

    Oh well good luck in whatever you decide but remember it can bring many benefits to your health too.
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    Hash, how much have you been training? I mean, on a daily basis...and why does it hurt to talk about about changing up your routine for "a few months" ?
    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
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     Style: Injured for 1+ years

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyCache
    Hash, how much have you been training? I mean, on a daily basis...and why does it hurt to talk about about changing up your routine for "a few months" ?
    When I was doing bjj/mma it was every day except Sunday, with Muay Thai I've been trying to do this but average 4 days a week.

    That was meant to be humorous. But the idea of not doing any actual ma training for months while focusing on rehab and prevention oriented exercise is like telling someone who's been playing Halo 3 they're gonna have to take a few months playing Atari Pong to work on their dexterity.

    **** like that even hurts to say all at once. You gotta kinda BS yourself and reveal it in bits. Like, "yeah, i'm gonna be out for like a week... maybe two... possibly 3...etc."

    Quote Originally Posted by BudoMonkey
    Listen man, everyone gets hurt training but you need to either suck it up and stop whining or quit and shut up. Look at you! You're ridiculous coming here with your fuckin little graphs and percentages and ****. When you fight, you get hurt. Maybe you just aren't up to being a fighter, you just weren't born tough enough or whatever, and if that's the case I'm sorry- but shut the hell up about it.
    What are you The Question's disciple? Playa please, I know you piss pure Andro and **** Whey, but for those of us whose skeletons haven't been dipped in titanium getting hurt is not the issue, it's getting injured.

    Hey if you're not busy fucking up Anderson Silva, let me know if you plan on attending a throwdown and what your weight class is. I'm sure I'll recognize you as the guy whose so hard his nose even cauliflowered.


    wow it's so obvious i have to much time to post all of a sudden.
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    So you jumped intohard training 6 days a week at age 27 with no MA background, assumptively average flexibility and cardio, and you broke your own **** in what, about 18 months?

    Dude, the three months of rest and changeup you're going to have to do now SHOULD HAVE BEEN interspersed into all that time. Even nationally ranked guys downcycle from time to time.

    What you NEED is rest. Some alternative exercise for flexibility or bodyweight strength is not what you NEED it is something productive to occupy your admirable drive for training and maybe to keep your flexibility from eroding (I sort of have this image of you quiting for 72 hours and cramping into a ball)
    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
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    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

    My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

    t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyCache

    Dude, the three months of rest and changeup you're going to have to do now SHOULD HAVE BEEN interspersed into all that time. Even nationally ranked guys downcycle from time to time.
    Exactly. It sounds like you are pushing yourself way to hard. If that is a new regime you need to slowly ramp up to that level. People seem to forget how they started and try to go at it like they are experts.

    It also sounds like you've been ignoring your body for awhile to get this jacked up. Remember pain is there for a reason. Sounds like you need to learn how to recognize the difference between fatigue type pain and actual damage type pain.

    Sounds like Budo needs to learn that also. People who can't recognize damage pain end up with debilitating injuries later. I know a few and all of them were preventable. Hell, I almost did it to my knee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by h_sh_m
    Never been to either. I'm on a shitty HMO so it's unlikely they'd cover it, however at this point I've decided it's worth just paying for on my own if that's what it comes down to.
    It's worth it dude. I'm in a similar boat right now. My ins. plan does not cover for chiro and therapy work, so everything is coming out of my pocket - three adjustment sessions a week is getting fucking expensive.

    As a result, I'm not training MA (again.) When I come back I may go to Judo which is cheaper and w/o contracts or simply I will keep working out until I change jobs and get a health plan that covers chiro work.

    It's a sad reality that visits to the chiro become a requirement every once in a while, specially if you really bang your spine. You need to plan your budget for that type of eventuality if you want to keep doing MA.

    Quote Originally Posted by h_sh_m
    I've read your and others'previous posts about myofascial release and I was under the impression it was for parts where a discernable bump had formed underneath the skin. eg: When you hit your shin for example and there's a sore bump there for weeks. In fact I was thinking of trying this for small things that hurt (instep, etc.) but that I wouldn't classify as injuries.

    However, the parts that I'm talking about (traps, inside elbow, wrist, etc) when inspected visually or by touching, don't feel or look any different from uninjured parts, to me.
    Myofascial release is just maintenance and doesn't have to be exclusively for visible and painful scar tissue. Muscular inflexibilities and imbalances can cause nerve impigment and even poor blood circulation. Things don't hurt or are readily visible but they do accumulate.

    When you finally get to feel an injury, more often than not it is just the result of a long series of minor injuries, scar injuries or loss of ROM that accumulate until they manifest in the form of pain or worse.

    Simple things like sitting on a chair can cause nerve impigment on the hips and legs, or on the shoulders, or hamstring shortening. One cannot really take care of that kind of stuff by oneself. When we are sedentary, it's just a minor nuanse. But when you are trying to be physically active, and worse, to be in a combat sports, this can (and will) become a serious health and physical performance issue.
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

    My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

    t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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