Fred Ettish wants redemption... Will YAMMA give it to him?

**Ke?poFist** · Posted On: 4/27/2008 9:43pm

Originally Posted by pauli

lenne hardt and her curly red hair are japanese? who knew!

Though Pride ringside commentator, Eiko Koike happens to be Japanese. She also happens to be teh hot.

**Kid Miracleman** · Posted On: 4/28/2008 12:40am

Wait, how'd this thread go from Fred Ettish to Major Boobage...?

**h_sh_m** · Posted On: 4/28/2008 2:55am

Bringing it back...

Those who did not witness the epic stomping of Fred Ettish prior to hearing about his subsequent redemption will never understand why he is lampooned so ferociously.

Seriously. Fred Ettish's fight is inarguably present on any list of the most spectacular failures in MMA history. It encapsulates in 3 minutes the entire bullshido epidemic. Every element was present: silly rankings, dead patterns, lack of athleticism, absolutely no idea how to fight on the ground or get up, and ofcourse a brutal beatdown from a relatively unskilled opponent.

The best part is that it was Fred Ettish. He was the perfect man for the job because noone else could've illustrated the point so vividly. He actually showed up. Bringing absolutely nothing to the fight but a paper-warrior's genuine pride. And then... he... just... kept... going.

We're not talking about the clean 30 second defeats Royce delivered to others via quick submission. These were too quick to resound. Or even the short brutal episode Pat Smith gave some ninjer.

No, this was 3 fucking minutes (eons by early UFC standards) of Fred stubbornly/valoriously beating his head against a wall. Being mangled slowly and unprofessionally by a far less formidable opponent than either Royce or Pat Smith while all the while you were watching as your brain screamed "My god why haven't they thrown in the towel?!".

Fred Ettish is the face of TMA failure. And people wondering why he gets clowned so hard have completely missed the boat.

..All that's left now is the triumphant return of an evolved man. For cementing his role as a great contributor to the new martial arts paradigm, he's got my vote.

**Cletus** · Posted On: 4/28/2008 4:08am

I often wonder how many people who give Fred Ettish **** actually saw UFC II when it happened, or if they just look at that fight through the lense of the last decade of martial arts.

I saw UFC II very shortly after it happened (pirate video), and I didn't think "LOLz you are teh tma, you suck", because there wasn't a 'tma', just ma.

I didn't laugh at Ettish, I was shocked, and Ilove to see YAMMA give him an opportunity to redem himself, if only for himself

**bob** · Posted On: 4/28/2008 5:01am

Steve, just one question: has he lost the cowboy 'tache?

**Steve** · Posted On: 4/28/2008 5:09am

LOL, yes, long ago.

**bob** · Posted On: 4/28/2008 5:15am

Damn, he is serious about redemption.

**Ke?poFist** · Posted On: 4/28/2008 9:19am

damn, did he seriously lose the stache!?

**pauli** · Posted On: 4/28/2008 9:21am

he gave it to steve mazagatti. i wonder where it lives now, since he hasn't worn it lately.

**Ke?poFist** · Posted On: 4/28/2008 9:23am

Originally Posted by h_sh_m

Bringing it back...

Those who did not witness the epic stomping of Fred Ettish prior to hearing about his subsequent redemption will never understand why he is lampooned so ferociously.

Seriously. Fred Ettish's fight is inarguably present on any list of the most spectacular failures in MMA history. It encapsulates in 3 minutes the entire bullshido epidemic. Every element was present: silly rankings, dead patterns, lack of athleticism, absolutely no idea how to fight on the ground or get up, and ofcourse a brutal beatdown from a relatively unskilled opponent.

The best part is that it was Fred Ettish. He was the perfect man for the job because noone else could've illustrated the point so vividly. He actually showed up. Bringing absolutely nothing to the fight but a paper-warrior's genuine pride. And then... he... just... kept... going.

We're not talking about the clean 30 second defeats Royce delivered to others via quick submission. These were too quick to resound. Or even the short brutal episode Pat Smith gave some ninjer.

No, this was 3 fucking minutes (eons by early UFC standards) of Fred stubbornly/valoriously beating his head against a wall. Being mangled slowly and unprofessionally by a far less formidable opponent than either Royce or Pat Smith while all the while you were watching as your brain screamed "My god why haven't they thrown in the towel?!".

Fred Ettish is the face of TMA failure. And people wondering why he gets clowned so hard have completely missed the boat.

..All that's left now is the triumphant return of an evolved man. For cementing his role as a great contributor to the new martial arts paradigm, he's got my vote.

Truth. Though it is still unfair that he gets lampooned when he was always upfront and honest about himself, and even went so far as to change his training, while other far more deserving candidates (who DIDN'T step up) get to still run around the MA community with an aire of respect (Boztepe, Wallace, every teacher who regularly writes for BBMag).