I was wathing some Modern Arnis DVDs and there was a large amount of time spent covering different finger-locks, ie: single finger-lock, double finger-lock, thumb-lock etc.
The training partner in the demos seem to be experiencing a lot of pain but were totally compliant. They were danced around like a puppet on strings.
Any one have experience with finger-locks?
I can't imagine them being applied effectively against someone resisting you.
They sure look painfull though.
I have trained in finger locks and wrist locks. From what I saw I do not believe they would work often against a resisting opponent. Also, a broken finger may not be a fight stopper. Some limited training in them, with compliant opponents would be useful just to avoid getting caught in one on the off chance an opponent was really good at them, but after that, nope.
While I don't think you'll be dancing around on strings, you might be more compliant simply because you don't want your fingers dislocated to broken.
Originally Posted by wikidbounce
How easy is it to grab someone's finger(s) to do a lock?
In the DVD they usually applied it after trapping the arms, sometimes as part of a disarm.
I've only seen them applied by bouncer or LEO types with semicompliant subjects, who were still working themselves up to fight.
They can be damned painful if done right.
They work in the same situations that most pain compliance techniques work in. Either a semi-surprised opponent or one who hasn't yet worked up a full head of aggression. They can be employed by LEOs and Bouncers in situations where a fight hasn't already broken out with great success. However, do not rely on them to end a fight, ever. Breaking someones fingers in the middle of a fight may or may not impair them significantly. Many times people sustain broken hands and fingers during fights and aren't even aware of it until minutes or even hours after the fight has ended.
I do them just enough to be able to hurt a finger if I get a hold of one.
Originally Posted by wikidbounce
And there's the important part, "if I get a hold of one"
I don't think finger locks are a good first response. I don't think they are a reasonable joint attack even after you've beaten the guy silly.
If you happen to catch hold of the fingers - hurt them. It might buy you some time; it might make the fingers unusable. That's about it.
Definitely NOT something to bet the farm on.
It's almost impossible to use them when someone is attacking you with strikes. To actually believe you can intercept a punch and transition to a wrist/finger lock is absurd. However, I think that if someone is attacking you and in a slow paced position such as a clinch, grab, or if you are on the ground doing some sloppy wrestling, than you could likely execute a finger lock breifly to your opponent to catch them off gaurd.. I remember back in gradeschool it used to work against kids who weren't expecting it also, but that seems pretty pointless now.
Bumping this subject back to life. . .
The reason that locks are not generally regarded as "workable"
is the same reason submissions work only after you stop the attack.
The opponent can easily resist any attempt to put one on IF you try
to do it in transition. UNTIL you get to the point of no return.
In subs, that is when you tap. I a fight, that is when it breaks.
For control, you need two things. . .
1 - stop the attack
2 - get to that point of no return, to cause enough pain.
No. It is not a first response action/reaction.
But, it does work.
Here would be your progression:
Hit, hit, hit. . .
opponent dazed, or down, apply a lock.
Opponent still resisting, even in a grab/hold,
hit, hit, hit.
opponent dazed, or down, try lock again.
of course they work. . .in the correct context.
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