Anyone hear of Al Martin?

**Jeffrey** · Posted On: 8/03/2009 5:03pm

Originally Posted by norder

Jeffery,

Out of curriosity how long has Al Martin's website existed? I do not know how to tell! Can you find this out?

The earliest I can find of the http://karateinc.tripod.com/ site is July 2006. It does include Al Martin's name.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://...nc.tripod.com/

Note that is is possible the site is older. The wayback machine is not definitive.

**norder** · Posted On: 8/03/2009 5:19pm

We have not proved if he is also Al Martin or not!

**norder** · Posted On: 8/03/2009 5:24pm

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

The earliest I can find of the http://karateinc.tripod.com/ site is July 2006. It does include Al Martin's name.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://...nc.tripod.com/

Note that is is possible the site is older. The wayback machine is not definitive.

Jeffrey, Could you also check the age of http://arazor0.tripod.com/
I think it was one of Al's Original sites it was once called Associated Karate Schools.

Thank you,
James

**Jeffrey** · Posted On: 8/03/2009 5:26pm

Originally Posted by norder

We have not proved if he is also Al Martin or not!

I think the more immediate question is who are you? And, what is your agenda on this thread? Your posting style seems a bit manic and irrational.

**Jeffrey** · Posted On: 8/03/2009 5:29pm

Originally Posted by norder

Jeffrey, Could you also check the age of http://arazor0.tripod.com/
I think it was one of Al's Original sites it was once called Associated Karate Schools.

That site is older than October 2003.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://arazor0.tripod.com/

**norder** · Posted On: 8/03/2009 6:05pm

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I think the more immediate question is who are you? And, what is your agenda on this thread? Your posting style seems a bit manic and irrational.

I am James Norder I am a Student of Terry Grant, Sensei who is one of Al Martin's Black Belts I am thirty nine years old, I have brown hair and brown eyes, I am five feet eight inches tall and I weigh 186 pounds. Before I met Terry Grant, Sensei I was in Judo for four years. I live in the Tampa Florida area.

My agenda is truth! I met James Needer Shoshinkanuk as I stated he has lied about his meeting with me, and he is a not being truthful with anyone! He has not met Al Martin but continues to slander him and put him down to the karate world. He embaraased Paul Hart with lies and heresay and continues to do that on other boards even though Paul Hart is no longer alive to defend himself. He tore a rift between Al and Paul with his slander against Paul Hart which was not honorable or fair to Paul who had befriended him honestly. He has told so many lies about Al Martin that it sickens our whole group. I have been honest I met James Neeter pretending to be Al Martin my Sensei ask me to do this because Al is a busy person and did not want to take the time away from his family to meet James Needer especially without knowing him or having a criminal background on James Neeter. Paul Hart begged Al for three months straight to meet James Neeter Volunteers were asked and I was chosen because I was Single and a Decent Green Belt at the time. I hold the current rank of Brown Belt and I will for many years to come thanks to James Neeter and his lies. I will proberlywill never get to test in front of Al Martin for my Black Belt. I have been in the system for sixteen years doing the same five Kata. Junji, Channan sho, Channan Dai, Naifanchin, Chinsu, and Chinto. Anything else you need to know?

**Dsimon3387** · Posted On: 8/03/2009 6:07pm

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I sent the following to james@neetersolutions.co.uk , which is the email address listed at http://shoshinkanuk.blogspot.com/ , which appears to be James Needer's blog:

I received this response:

Using the wayback machine, I verified that that blog has been in existence since at least July 2007.

I think we can be certain of the following:

A man calling himself Jim Needer exists.
He has a blog at that address, and has for over 2 years.
It is him posting on this thread as Shoshinkanuk.
He claims not to be a teacher under Al Martin, despite claims on Martin's website.

Yes we can. I spoke to Needer regarding this as well. I will vouch for this statement.

**Dsimon3387** · Posted On: 8/03/2009 6:15pm

Originally Posted by norder

I am James Norder I am a Student of Terry Grant, Sensei who is one of Al Martin's Black Belts I am thirty nine years old, I have brown hair and brown eyes, I am five feet eight inches tall and I weigh 186 pounds. Before I met Terry Grant, Sensei I was in Judo for four years. I live in the Tampa Florida area.

My agenda is truth! I met James Needer Shoshinkanuk as I stated he has lied about his meeting with me, and he is a not being truthful with anyone! He has not met Al Martin but continues to slander him and put him down to the karate world. He embaraased Paul Hart with lies and heresay and continues to do that on other boards even though Paul Hart is no longer alive to defend himself. He tore a rift between Al and Paul with his slander against Paul Hart which was not honorable or fair to Paul who had befriended him honestly. He has told so many lies about Al Martin that it sickens our whole group. I have been honest I met James Neeter pretending to be Al Martin my Sensei ask me to do this because Al is a busy person and did not want to take the time away from his family to meet James Needer especially without knowing him or having a criminal background on James Neeter. Paul Hart begged Al for three months straight to meet James Neeter Volunteers were asked and I was chosen because I was Single and a Decent Green Belt at the time. I hold the current rank of Brown Belt and I will for many years to come thanks to James Neeter and his lies. I will proberlywill never get to test in front of Al Martin for my Black Belt. I have been in the system for sixteen years doing the same five Kata. Junji, Channan sho, Channan Dai, Naifanchin, Chinsu, and Chinto. Anything else you need to know?

Your a loon sir... and you ain't a canadian dollar if you catch my drift.