Since I got dragged into this by bladecal, by him useing my name. I thought I would add my 2 cents. I am the "Scott" guy he mentioned earlier today, and yes I can say I have had the "Al Martin Experience". Not even sure where to begin...I've been practising Shorinji (a relative of Shorin) for 30 years so I have direct knowledge of the kata his system is supposed to contain in order to be called Shorin....it only has one that I saw. He ran me around like a fool promising money for a mixed martial art gym, to no avail, just kept lieing to me and "bladecal". He has county records in a couple of counties around here for fraud. If you live between fort meyers and tampa and want to train in Shorin drop me a line and I will point you to a qualified non-scam school. Basically stay away from him, he's a manipulator and a fraud.
Yes, which I checked nothing came back with what you claimed.
Originally Posted by DavidT2
For some reason you aren't reading my post:
I also checked out the back-grounds of you and your admitted cronies’ Brian Jamison Cox and Scott Christie (Shorinjite) criminal records were found pertaining to all three including petty larceny, grand theft, illegal entry, worthless checks, child endangerment, solicitation of prostitution
need I go on.
Like I said, to the level, please see your above post, that you claimed. I didn't say I found nothing. You added prostitution, child endangerment etc etc etc.
I have tried multiple spellings and have yet to find anything for the three you just claimed to the level of what you wrote
Thanks though, it shows that I used the correct spellings. Oh and please provide the records something stinks to high heaven considering what comes up and what is in your post.
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I deleted my Facebook page becuase I wanted to win an internet argument. - No BS MMA and Martial Arts
Now as per this post by Sam:
Provide the case numbers or scans for the allegations you made or get banned.
Originally Posted by Samuel Browning
Um, madroller, Al came to me the first time to set up a simple school that he wanted me to name karate inc. The second time was around 6 months after that and it was a larger idea and ment not so much for any particular style, but to be a MMA gym with a large range of styles. I am not mad at him for not funding he said his kid was real sick and dieing (the youngest one, the one that used to ride around with him all the time)and he didn't have the cash, I am mad because I was lied to (before you even ask...no I have no documented proof) As to the rest of your questions about Al and I's interactions, I can not PROVE anything there is no recordings video/audio/written. I will not engage in a simple arguement about who said what and who's word is worth more (he said she said) it will not do any thing for any one, except maybe pissing people off, wasn't here for that. I was just warning folks.
Greetings and my respects...Osu!!!..Excuse me if my english writing is not that good, but I will try to do my best..I met this person in 2007 when I was living in Tampa..To make the story short, first he claimed to came from Sakugawa Shorin Ryu anf not from Matsumura Seito..At that time I was Godan and I call him once since I was new in Florida and someone gave me his number..We start to talk about martial arts and other related stuff..I went to his home where he have his Dojo but I dont remember the name of the town but it was near Naples area..OK, now the funniest and disrespectful part of my story...I get there, I was with my fiancee..there was him, a second degree black belt, one green belt and the other were nyumonshas..Like I stated I was Godan at that time and he was Nanadan..only one yudansha there..So the proper Reishiki states what?..that all the rank below me just for courtesy supposed to make a bow, correct..well none of them did..Second, I was a guest there and he treat me like crap..I agree that to teachers can share knowledge when they met, but he didnt did that, he just started asking me to perform katas, kobudo and bunkai..he put me to do a lot of extreme exercises under a mid day sun with his black belt 20 something guy, 6 foot or taller, great conditioning and of course I was 37, left knee cirjury and I'll and I was ashamed and embarrassed..I did my best but really I wasnt supposed to do any of those things...I WAS A GUEST!!!!!..that was very un-polite of him..I dont know if Im putting my words right but just remember it makes me mad...Couple days later he started crap obut me and my karate, that for a Godan I was out of shape, that my karate was similar than his bla bla..he never did anything there just couple of techniques with students ans thats it..All he did was shouting and commanding me and his students..Yes, Iknow..maybe your asking why I tell him to go to hell, beat the crap out of him or one of his students or get out of there..simple, Im a humble person and a humble budoka..My teacher's showed me respect and courtesy no matter how rude a person is towards you..I have couple of yahoo messenger conversation and email saved from him lecturing me about martial arts, his lineage, what he did for me and martial arts philosophy etc etc saying that his ways and etiquette were older that mines and that I can learn a lot from him...I invite him to came down to Puerto Rico to my Dojo or my teachers and he never did..too bad..Thanks for giving me the chance to express myself here about this clown.
Originally Posted by mcmapman
Can one of the mod's contact me please regarding cleaning this thread up. Some very false and potentially damaging things are said about me.
What do you need?
Originally Posted by shoshinkanuk
So let me start off by saying i dont get into martial arts. I carry a firearm and train to do so as often as i can. I am in the USAF and have a buddy who is in to San Chi Do. He was telling me about his instructor having this weird battle online with guess who, Al Martin. So i did some research online and found this forum. WOW is all i can say. Martin has evidently been in the compulsive lying business for a long time, and is now supreme granddaddy master of it. So my buddy shows me some txts between his instructor and martin about how said instructor is stealing martins intellectual property, and is not allowed to use the label San Chi Do or the patch they had made for them because it was in violation of copyright infringement. On weird Al's FB page for San Chi Do. He claims lawsuits are filed against said instructor and his lawfirm(Martin and Martin.....lol) were going to ownall rights to said patch and name San Chi Do MMA something something. But has no proof of actual copyright paperwork for patch/logo. But claims to have created San Chi Do back in 1988. But on this forum the only thing he claimed to be teaching was Shorin ryu. This guy is bad for martial arts as a whole. Neither he or his followers if there are any have any integrity. As seen on the earlier posts about deception of Mr.Neeter not to mention the false claims of legal action from morgan morgan(weird AL) i just wanted to pop in after reading what has not been culled from this forum let everyone know he is still up to his same old crap.
Alright, I haven't posted in a while, but I just read this whole goddamned thing and it bugged me so bad that I went off and found this nonsense and yes, I am sure it will cause more of a nightmare. Soooo....
I googled Mr. Martin and came across this facebook:
There are a ton of pictures of an argument occurring in text format between "Al Martin" and another guy who calls himself Hanshi. In the menagerie of photos, there is a photo with a guy in a blood red gi in it. In the photo a fella by name of Al Martin is tagged. The tagged Al Martin shows to be the founder of whatever San Chi Do is. Here is his page:
Oh and I just found a Leo Martin in the friends, so I guess this be the real Al...as opposed to the fake Al:
I don't know, I think this is the same guy...but the facebook page is full of the insane. It is the same type of the insane flaming that littered this entire thread. I saved many of the pictures to post if needed. To be honest, I am questioning why I spent the past hour on this. That being said, glad to be back.
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I would like to help clarify things for anyone still interested.
To Gmccormick and TexJohn, (and anyone else.. that for whatever reason is still interested in this feed)
I saw there was some recent activity on this feed, and wanted to chime in, in hopes of helping clear up all of this fuss, and hopefully putting all this to rest.
I am a former Student of Al Martin. I practiced under him for many years and I know him very well. I am happy to answer any questions you might have and in order to help clear things up.
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