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    Ok, unsubscribing from this thread. Have fun with all your george clooney pictures.

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    So.. what.. because I can't list a name, my point is less valid ? Grow up.

    Listen, if someone came up to me and said... Guess what, the WCAF ratify certificates for cash, then I'd need to be able to present proof of that but.. I don't need too, the WCAF provide all the evidence themselves... its on their own advertising media called a website.

    The contact details for that website being:

    WCAF
    PO Box 6240
    Ellicott City, Maryland 21042
    Attn: Lee Epperson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulysses Everett McGill
    So.. what.. because I can't list a name, my point is less valid ? Grow up.

    Listen, if someone came up to me and said... Guess what, the WCAF ratify certificates for cash, then I'd need to be able to present proof of that but.. I don't need too, the WCAF provide all the evidence themselves... its on their own advertising media called a website.

    WCAF
    PO Box 6240
    Ellicott City, Maryland 21042
    Attn: Lee Epperson
    That's been done, it's been denied. As stated in a previous post.

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    Dude, you need to get your head out the sand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulysses Everett McGill
    Dude, you need to get your head out the sand.
    To see what? That my instructor hasn't actually promoted anyone through the website? Well that will certainly be a revelation, won't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulysses Everett McGill
    I don't need to know... They are openly advertising as such.
    Actually, what they are advertising appears to be the ability to promote qualified people from outside the system to higher rank based on the qualifications of their members from the potential promotee's system.
    For example, if I as a 1st dan in TKD with no association wanted to get my 2nd dan and had all of the requirements met, knew all of the forms, etc... and could show my 1st dan certificate they would test and promote me to 2nd dan. As normal I would have to pay the testing fees to cover the expense of the test, but that's normal.

    This is what I got out of reading the paragraphs you posted. Of course it remains possible that the "test" might just be testing wether your check cashes or not, but we have no evidence of that.

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    MAV, ARE YOU SERIOUS ?

    Quote me where I've actually stated that your instructor has promoted ANYONE let alone through any website, you seem to be ever-so-conveniently missing the point.

    The point being, your teacher is the President of an organisation with questionable ethics - as stated before.

    Let me ask you a slightly unrelated question.

    In your time here on Bullshido, have you ever participated in or contributed to a thread discussing Bullshido in the martial arts ? (outside of this thread)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulysses Everett McGill
    MAV, ARE YOU SERIOUS ?

    Quote me where I've actually stated that your instructor has promoted ANYONE let alone through any website, you seem to be ever-so-conveniently missing the point.

    The point being, your teacher is the President of an organisation with questionable ethics - as stated before.
    So you AREN'T accusing my teacher of selling rank?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ulysses Everett McGill
    Let me ask you a slightly unrelated question.

    In your time here on Bullshido, have you ever participated in or contributed to a thread discussing Bullshido in the martial arts ? (outside of this thread)
    No, I haven't.
    Last edited by MaverickZ; 4/21/2008 2:39pm at .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kintanon
    Actually, what they are advertising appears to be the ability to promote qualified people from outside the system to higher rank based on the qualifications of their members from the potential promotee's system.
    Define me "qualified" because I could print you a nice A5 certificate off my colour laser printer in any martial art you like, wouldn't make you "qualified" though would it.

    I'd also have to ask the question why someone would need to have an additional certificate in whatever martial art one studies, having [presumably] gained a legitimate rank certificate in the first place. Combine the ratification for cash with Soke councils and the various dubious connections the WCAF has (as illustrated earlier in this thread here ) Prompted my questions to Mav.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaverickZ
    So you AREN'T accusing my teacher of selling rank?
    Have I said so anywhere ?
    No, I haven't.
    You sure about that ?

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