Thread: Gaijin Ryu Dojo Makes the News
4/21/2008 12:52pm, #51
Originally Posted by http://www.gaijinryu.com/
However, there are some things that do need some explaining...especially if you want to represent your school appropriately.
1. Official Rank
-Soke/10th Dan: We can assume this is "granted" by all the councils. As such, this rank is relatively worthless unless he directly inherited the system from a previous "Gaijin Ryu Soke". Since Mr. Epperson is the founder, we can assume he is the first "Soke".
-American Kenpo 5th Degree BB: Received under Michael Lambert 06/10/2005.
--Mike Lambert is listed as a 9th Degree American Kenpo BB per this site: http://pacombatarts.com/?page_id=5
April 14, 2002
Sensei Muhammad was promoted to 4th Degree Black Belt in Kenpo by a Board of The World Combat Arts Federation Representatives, 10th Degree George Elmer, 9th Degree Mike Lambert, Soke & Grandmaster Lee Epperson and 4th Degree Joe Rebelo.
--There is also a discussion on Mike Lambert on Kenpotalk here: http://kenpotalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3017
--In all instances, Mr. Lambert is very evasive about where he received his training and under who he received his ranking from.
---This isn't necessarily damning, since modern Kenpo is all over the place. However, most legit Kenpo instructors who studied under official "lineages" usually display their lineage all over the place. The lack of lineage on Mr. Lambert is a bit suspicious.
- Jiu-Jitsu de Brasil, Faixa Roxa under Carlson Gracie, Jr. 11/02/2003
--I couldn't find any listing of an "Epperson" for any belt level in BJJ. If the rank is Purple or below, this isn't unusual...but it definitely is a strong indicator of the presence of a Brown or higher rank lacking in BJJ.
- Judo, Ni-Dan under O-Sensei Philip S. Porter 12/27/1999
--This is a little troubling, as Mr. Philip Porter is well-known for selling rank in his "United States Martial Arts Association".
--The website for the above association is down for the time being. However, here are some quotes on this website to discussions concerning them:
Phil was a very charasmatic leader and outstanding fund raiser. Unfortunately, his accounting methodologies, as well as a tendency to pocket funds for private use, led to a serious financial dilemma for the USJA. He also began offering a lot of high yudansha rank, first to old friends, then to friends of old friends, then it seems to anyone with an open checkbook. He also started referring to himself as "O'Sensei" and claimed the 9th dan rank status. Eventually, Phil was forced out of the USJA and formed the USMA where I understand many of the same former policies are still in practice.The USMAA is a DISCRACE and Porter, despite his Judo knowledge, is a crazy old man. Associating with the USMAA only hurts a school's rep.He must have become cynical, perhaps he had given so much he now wanted monetary return. His current organization is considered a front for a diploma mill. You send the money they sent the rank. It's a pathetic way to be remembered for an individual that was once a role model to thousands.Well, the sponsorship went so well that Porter gave my friend a 5th degree in judo, and since judo was a offshoot of jujitsu, a 5th degree in jujitsu also. All based on my friends MA resume. And in turn, my friend awarded his judo sponsor a 7th degree in his own newly created system.
-Mi Guk Kwan Hapkido, Chil Dan under Ed Annibale 08/28/2004
His system of Hapkido Mi Guk Kwan (also the name of his school) has been recognized by the World Combat Arts Federation Soke Board.
--Mr. Annibale lists several other organizations under his credentials, though:
He is recognized by the
National Hapkido Association, Korea Hapkido Federation, Korean Martial Arts Instructors Association and World Black Belt Bureau. He is the President & Founder of the Korean International Hapkido Accreditation Program (KIHAP) which consists of several high ranking Hapkido Grandmasters and Masters on its Board of Educators
SUMMARY: I'm having a difficult time finding legit verification from any martial art or instructor that has a defined lineage.
The most troubling aspect involves the association with well-known "Soke Councils".
United States Martial Arts Association 01/01/2000
Eastern USA International Martial Arts Association 06/01/2000
World Combat Arts Federation 06/02/2001
The Hoteikan Dojo 10/06/2001
Long Island Judo & Martial Arts Association 05/19/2002
American Federation Of Jujitsu 12/2002
North American Ju Jitsu Federation 01/15/2003
Eagle Tiger Federation 01/23/2003
International Federation Of Modern Jiu-Jitsu 03/06/2003
-The "Eagle Tiger Federation" has been abused here in depth, and has since taken down their website.
SUMMARY: Ties to well-known and documented diploma mills and "Soke Councils".
It's been stated before that hardcore, skilled, and talented instructors can be guilty of bullshido.
Without jumping to conclusions, it only seems fair to send a polite inquiry to the instructor and ask about his lineage, ranks, and training dates.
Before I do so, however, it might save some time if Maverick helped us out a bit and supplied what information he has.
To be fair, it appears that they have competed in MMA and other events:
As such, I doubt the "INSTRUCTION" should necessarily be called into question...even if the business practices and ranking lineage is.
4/21/2008 12:55pm, #52
Look this is silly at this point.
He admits the parallels and like his instruction.
Seriously, what is the point?
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4/21/2008 12:57pm, #53
- Join Date
- Sep 2005
- Baltimore, MD
Did someone say there were KMA claims that needed to be verified?
4/21/2008 12:57pm, #54Originally Posted by DCS
1) My instructor became a de facto president when the previous president retired. Who I believe was my teacher's hapkido teacher. Though this is based purely off memory.
2) I don't actually KNOW of anyone who has received rank through the WCAF in the five years I've been in Gaijin Ryu.
3) There has been one cross rank promotion to a Gaijin Ryu Jiujitsu black belt and he had to train for and pass the black belt test like everyone else in the school.
4) The only tangible effect that the WCAF has on anything I've come in contact with is that I pay less at seminars by WCAF members.
5) Neither the WCAF nor the Gaijin Ryu websites are kept up by my teacher, but that's neither here nor there.
4/21/2008 1:03pm, #55Originally Posted by Satori
His kenpo lineage comes down from Larry Tatum.
Originally Posted by Satori
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4/21/2008 1:13pm, #56Originally Posted by MaverickZ
Honestly, it looks like his students can fight.
As such, he's already leagues ahead of other "Soke" types.
If anything, all these negative associations only drag down what he's trying to accomplish, and cheapens his credibility.
Unfortunately, "rank" and "belts" do matter to the average person, and I can easily see how your instructor may have felt pressured to create an organizational backing to his teaching in order to support his students.
4/21/2008 1:16pm, #57Originally Posted by MaverickZ
4/21/2008 1:20pm, #58Originally Posted by Ulysses Everett McGill
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4/21/2008 1:56pm, #59
Unless you think you can prove something or reach some sort of conclusion, let's just let it go Ulysses. All points have been made.
4/21/2008 1:57pm, #60Originally Posted by BudoMonkey