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  1. TomMack is offline

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    Ninjutsu Question

    Without the stealth , uniforms and ancient weapons would ninjutsu look like standup jujitsu ?
    How is it differnt from traditional Jujitsu ?

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    It's fictional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomMack
    Without the stealth , uniforms and ancient weapons would ninjutsu look like standup jujitsu ?
    How is it differnt from traditional Jujitsu ?

    Tom Mac
    Alot of factors take into account, I'll keep it simple though. The X-Kans are built upon koryu jujutsu which are valid MA's. Now if you decide to train in one of the X-Kans there are some things to keep in mind.
    1.Find a school that emphasized Randori/Free Sparing/Rolling.
    2.Be open to cross training (no MA is superior)
    3.Find a good techer that doesn't offer a lot of BS
    4.Realize you WILL NEVER BE A NINJA only some Larper who thinks they can climb walls and know magic.

    Keeping the above in mind be realistic about it. Understand the concepts and principals and understand that some things are only for Kata. BTW IMO ninjutsu doesn't really exist, but bujutsu does and it is most efficient when you train with points 1,2 in mind.

    Good luck dude your gonna need it specially if you learn from a hippy boojer.
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    Nah not really interested in the Ninja stuff
    I'm happy with the arts I'm doing now . Just wondering what the deal with that art is . When I started training in the 80s I started in Vee-jutsu + Judo and would hear from people " Ninjutsu does stuff like that "
    Always seemed hard to pin down what they do and how they train even looking at the books

    Like I said not looking to go Ninja right now got a lot on my plate with JKD/Kali/Thai Boxing etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomMack
    Without the stealth , uniforms and ancient weapons would ninjutsu look like standup jujitsu ?
    How is it differnt from traditional Jujitsu ?

    Tom Mac

    You pretty much nailed it. Ninpo/Ninjutsu Ryu-Ha and Jujutsu Ryu-Ha are pretty much the same thing technique wise. When they differ come sin at application and strategy. Where Jujutsu focuses heavily on O-waza or complete technique (strike, throw, finish) , Ninpo is more about counter, strike and escape.
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    well put plasma.. i personally, think however, that Japanese jujitsu has a better ground game then the booj (i'm not gonna speak for any other x-kans, since i only took booj). I was lucky that my old sensi had trained in bjj for a little bit and taught us how to move on the ground more effectively..

    I'd seen in other booj schools, when they were mounted they would try to move out the way of the punch in what was supposed to be a ground and pound scenario.... yea, nuff said on that i think..
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    While in theory the Bujinkan is based on traditional Jujutsu, in practice most of what is taught is basically made up by Hatsumi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lu Tze
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomMack
    Without the stealth , uniforms and ancient weapons would ninjutsu look like standup jujitsu ?
    How is it differnt from traditional Jujitsu ?

    Tom Mac
    I think you need to refine your question a bit. If you mean the contemplation of studying a Ninjutsu discipline then thats very different to the stereotypical view that most people have of Ninja's. The view at the moment is that their badasses that stealth around and are basically assassins. Which was true given the timeframe say Edo period of 1500 AC. Today, for example I'm a student gone teacher assisstant gone student of Genbukan Ninjutsu. We focus a lot on continued evasive rolls, sparring, grapples, strikes and Bokken training (Bokkai, Bokuto, whatever you want to call it, their about the same thing)

    So to answer your question they are different in principle and in process. However I can only tell you what I know about Gnebukan and to a lesser extent Bujinkan (mostly lame MA) I have never studie Jujitsu
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    If you were really studying Ninjutsu, you'd be learning stealth and recon techniques with probably some SD stuff throw in, but not very much unarmed stuff at all- just engading someone as a spy weapon or not easily blows your cover. Strangely enough most NinJItsu schools either teach uber deadly karate or ripped off JJJ and Koyru moves and made up varitions on such. Some Koryu schools did/do teach the equivelent of Ninjutsu (spywork), however these were ment for samurai, not some super secret ninja class.

    In fact, ninjas existing at all are a bit questionable . A good protion of what we 'know' about them comes from Edo period pop culture and 70's-90's cheesy ninja goodness. For that matter, Hatsumi has been unable or unwilling to prove his style to be from before modern era Japan (pre Meiji restoration). That's not to say that it doesn't contain old JJJ techniques- Hatsumi and his teacher both studied JJJ. But that does tell you that the 'ninja' part points to a marketing campaign. To put it in another sense:

    http://dojos.org/cgi-local/search/html/04_06.html

    Now I don't know if you can read Japanese or not but that is a Martial arts gym search site for Tokyo. There are hundreds and hundreds of schools listed. Only 3 are listed under ninjutsu and of the 3, two are kickboxing classes miscatagorized, and ONE is for the Genbukan (which suppossedly plays down the ninja angle in the first place). Now take the search for ninjutsu from its supposed home country (and one of the largest cities in the world) to anywhere USA. Find more than one ninJItsu dojo?


    ....oh and by the way, there is no historical record of death by ninja. Samurais stabbed other samurais in the back instead.
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