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  1. nightowl is offline
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     Style: Koryu Budo, Shooto

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    Kenpo?? Please don't kill me...

    Alright guys, a question out of sheer curiousity to all the kenpo people out there: What IS kenpo/kempo exactly? It seems to me to be the most unorginized word out there loosly meaning 'Chinese boxing' in japanese but in reality being some sort of mix of any asian martial arts that someone wants to start a style with (crazy uniforms and belt dans included).

    Other than that it seems to be split between actual Kenpo as you would think of it (kung fu/karate mixes) in the form of japanese branches like Shorinji (shaolin?) Kenpo, Japanese Kenpo, Sushi kenpo, etc. with all the rest seeming to be to either popular hawaiian branches or a catch all term used by Americans making their own style.

    Is that about right?
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     Style: Kenpo

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    It's complicated, but not nearly as complicated as some people make it out to be.

    I think the main thing that confuses people is that there are so many different styles of Kenpo. Some are very similar, like American and Tracy Kenpo, whereas some are very different from each other, like American Kenpo and Shorinji Kempo.

    Kenpo roughly translates to "fist law", and yes, it is primarily chinese in its roots.

    There are several Japanese interpertations of kenpo such as Shorinji Kempo, which is based more in philosophy and passivity than it is in actual combat.

    Most forms of similar Kenpo styles that you hear about (Tracy, American, White Tiger, etc.) are American interpretations of a chinese art with a few other things thrown into the mix. These forms of kenpo have the most in common with each other and are the most widespread (at least in the states anyways). Most styles of kenpo can be identified by the following characteristics that set them apart from most other traditional martial arts:

    - Situational self defense orientation.

    - Multiple rapid fire strikes used to overwhelm an opponent.

    - Wearing of the black gi.

    - Little to no kicking above the waist.

    - Circular patterns in striking, blocking, and movement.

    - Significantly more hand strikes than kicks.

    - Crazy hand positions (tiger claw!! Grrrrrr!!!)

    - Tendency to have an overly cerebral way of looking at fighting.

    You should do some research on your own for specific lineage and style histories if you are really that interested in knowing what ke?po is EXACTLY. The specifics can get quite deep and confusing.
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     Style: Koryu Budo, Shooto

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan McScary
    It's complicated, but not nearly as complicated as some people make it out to be.

    I think the main thing that confuses people is that there are so many different styles of Kenpo. Some are very similar, like American and Tracy Kenpo, whereas some are very different from each other, like American Kenpo and Shorinji Kempo.

    Kenpo roughly translates to "fist law", and yes, it is primarily chinese in its roots.

    There are several Japanese interpertations of kenpo such as Shorinji Kempo, which is based more in philosophy and passivity than it is in actual combat.

    Most forms of similar Kenpo styles that you hear about (Tracy, American, White Tiger, etc.) are American interpretations of a chinese art with a few other things thrown into the mix. These forms of kenpo have the most in common with each other and are the most widespread (at least in the states anyways). Most styles of kenpo can be identified by the following characteristics that set them apart from most other traditional martial arts:

    - Situational self defense orientation.

    - Multiple rapid fire strikes used to overwhelm an opponent.

    - Wearing of the black gi.

    - Little to no kicking above the waist.

    - Circular patterns in striking, blocking, and movement.

    - Significantly more hand strikes than kicks.

    - Crazy hand positions (tiger claw!! Grrrrrr!!!)

    - Tendency to have an overly cerebral way of looking at fighting.

    You should do some research on your own for specific lineage and style histories if you are really that interested in knowing what ke?po is EXACTLY. The specifics can get quite deep and confusing.
    Ok, that's really different than the kempo I've seen out here, but more matches what I have seen in the states. The Japanese kempo guys (while they do wear a protective mask) do go full out on each other and train pretty hard with a karate-esque style.
    Last edited by nightowl; 4/14/2008 10:29pm at .
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightowl
    Alright guys, a question out of sheer curiousity to all the kenpo people out there: What IS kenpo/kempo exactly? It seems to me to be the most unorginized word out there loosly meaning 'Chinese boxing' in japanese but in reality being some sort of mix of any asian martial arts that someone wants to start a style with (crazy uniforms and belt dans included).

    Other than that it seems to be split between actual Kenpo as you would think of it (kung fu/karate mixes) in the form of japanese branches like Shorinji (shaolin?) Kenpo, Japanese Kenpo, Sushi kenpo, etc. with all the rest seeming to be to either popular hawaiian branches or a catch all term used by Americans making their own style.

    Is that about right?

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     Style: Kempo

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    Circular patterns??? Ok, yeah I guess I know what you mean... but "economy of motion" was always drilled into my training

    but yeah.... Kenpo is kind of a catch all for general Karateesque MA
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    Posted On:
    4/18/2008 10:46pm


     Style: Chinese Kenpo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Cheze
    Circular patterns??? Ok, yeah I guess I know what you mean... but "economy of motion" was always drilled into my training

    but yeah.... Kenpo is kind of a catch all for general Karateesque MA
    It's not that simple actually. If you're kenpo school is more along the Japanese lines, it will be much more linear and regimented in it's movement. If your school leans more towards CMA, then it will be more fluid and circular in it's movement. Shorinji Kempo looks very different from my system, which is heavily influenced by CMA.

    NM did a pretty good job delineating it but it's too variable to pin it down much more than that.
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    Posted On:
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     Style: kenpo, Wrestling

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    Unfortunately, I have not had a chance to visit Hawaii, but from what I have read about it, it seems to be an intense place culturally. A lot of kenpo styles have roots in Hawaii and the style shows lots of variation. Add into this the use of kenpo and kempo to designate some additional styles from Japan and China and you have some serious chaos for tracking lineage and categorizing styles. Back to the OPs question, yeah your not far off.
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    Posted On:
    4/19/2008 8:15pm


     Style: The Kempo, Kickboxing

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    This wiki article is decent
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kempo

    Kempo/Kenpo is different to different people, places, and cultures. Kempo from what I know is supposed to be an evolving art that takes in the good and throws away the bad, well at least the style I do. Over the years too many self proclaimed masters have crapped up the style. Whether it be sticking to the exact thing your teachers teacher taught regardless of it's effectiveness or not, or the all knowing arrogant asshole masters, the flashy gi's belts, rediculous ranks, etc. There are many different styles and many of them are tottally different from one another. My Kempo experince has been with a mix of a few styles of kempo. I found that the most effective style if taught properly with the right ideology is kajukenbo.
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    Posted On:
    4/20/2008 5:20pm


     Style: TMA, MMA

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    Odacon has the truth of it. You can't even judge a Ke?po school just on which substyle it is, you have to judge each school differently, as some, even from the most notorious mcdojo styles, will teach ke?po properly.
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    Posted On:
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     Style: In Hiatus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odacon
    MMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm, that looks nutritious. Where can I get that?
    GUIZ THIS IS LIEK MY SIGNACHOOR LOLOL

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