4/13/2008 12:49am, #11Originally Posted by tharuz
Wow, his reply to you was not in any way derogatory or anything of the sort. Yet you call him a douchebag? Suck a cock please.
I agree on the franchising thing being McDojo, but honestly if the schools are quality then I would do the same thing myself. If I could charge people $1,000 just to look over an application you bet I would.
I never really have a moral opposition to McDojoism because if I ran a school it would be my business, and you need to make money.
4/13/2008 12:57am, #12
Also, I don't see the problem with the instructors not being MMA'ists. In fact that is great. You have a Judo, wrestling, boxing, etc, coach for different ranges. However at least 1 MMA fighter would be nice when it comes time to put it all together which I don't think they hve yet.
Also, I think they might have weights and cardio equipment which might mean you wouldn't need your gym membership anymore.
Not bad I suppose.
4/13/2008 1:03am, #13
4/13/2008 1:11am, #14Originally Posted by LI GUY 1
I guess with all the recent flaming I've gotten a bit defensive, and paranoid.
yet that's no excuse for me.....if I flame you I'll just look worse....pretty sure I should let this whole thing die.
like I said: I can't really think throughly or see whats not being said, specifics.
I like everything about xtreme couture exept the fact that its so damn expensive.
4/13/2008 1:16am, #15
I pay $120 a month for training. $25 a month for a 24 hour gym. So $145 a month total. I have a 1 year contract at both places.
Xtreme with a 1 year contract is $165. It has the training and gym all in one, however it is not 24 hours, which I love. But it does have the name. So it is not that bad IMO from where I currently stand.
Agreed with GIJoe6186 though, I must hate it! New gym in local area, grrrrrr.
4/13/2008 1:34am, #16
24 bucks for a gym? you're kidding me right?
my local YMCA charges $30 a month, and balley charges around 100
errm...nevermind, its pretty much the same price, the only thing that hinders my training is that decent MA schools are far away from where I live.
4/13/2008 1:46am, #17
holy fucking ****. This is....nothing short of....EPIC.
This school is a mish mash of all the 2nd tier Sportive MA gyms on the island, all joining under the XtremeCouture banner. I met Ken Hewski, and he is a mad cool guy who runs his own kickboxing school out east on the island. He brought in some BJJ and Judo guys to run no-gi grappling classes at his place. I wonder if he's dedicating himself full time to this new place.
I fucking love the titles they use. All military titles, bwahahaha!
This like other franchise attempts sounds like major bullshit, but I can at least personally attest to the striking and grappling instruction taking place there being decent, as they have a legitimate BJJ purple instructing (even if he is a Kioto guy....bleh....) and Ken is a kickboxing and MT fighter in his own right.
The rest I am not too sure about. What the **** is an "Urban combat" or "Special Ops" instructor. Those are some SERIOUS red flags going up for me at least.Knowing is not enough, you must apply...
...Willing is not enough you must do ~Bruce Lee
4/13/2008 9:51am, #18
- Join Date
- Jan 2008
Perhaps we should go more in depth with all the instructors. As you guys pointed out there are several who seem like they are very good despite lack of MMA experience. Though many great fighters agree it's best to practice each art seperately for MMA they also agree that only certain arts will help you, and others have no real place in MMA, and are not only going to take up valuable time, but can also build bad habits for the cage. so let's break this down with 2 categories; here's the ones i get:
Xtreme Couture NY Ultimate Warrior: Randy Couture
RankUnit CommanderAge: 44
Strengths: All around bad ass. 6 Time UFC Champion
Xtreme Couture NY Trainer: Ken HewskiMMA / Muay Thai
RankGeneralAge: 32 Weight: 200 Height: 6'1" Record: 46-3 Strengths: Muay Thai, Kickboxing, Striking, 7x kickboxing champion and ISKA world kickboxing champion
As far as I know Ken is a great American Kickboxer. Obviously a champion kickboxer has something to offer any prospective MMA fighter, but I asked around and heard nothing of Ken's Muay Thai training. Anyone got any input? I can only assume he put that there because it looks better when you want to be an MMA coach since American Kickboxing's rules are basically like TKD with punching to the face. 46-3 is not an MMA record of any kind. From what I've heard this is his kickboxing record, and he's never fought MMA. Still impressive for what it is, so why not specify and site it?
Xtreme Couture NY Trainer: Jay EversStrength & Conditioning
Striking CoachRankCommander and ChiefAge: 37 Weight: 205 Height: 5'10" Record: 1-0 Strengths: Strength & Conditioning
Xtreme Couture NY Trainer: Kurt WagnerWrestling / MMA
CoachRankColonelAge: 36 Weight: 155 Height: 5'6" Record: 130-20-1 Strengths: 2x free style champion, 2x eastern regional champion, suffolk county champion
Xtreme Couture NY Trainer: Jeff SanfordBrazilian Jiu Jitsu
RankColonelAge: 38 Weight: 185 Height: 6'0" Record: 19-5 Strengths: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (under Kioto system), grappling, submissions
Xtreme Couture NY Trainer: Master MansurBrazilian Jiu Jitsu
RankMajor GeneralAge: n/a Weight: n/a Height: n/a Record: To many to list Strengths: 9th degree Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, grappling, MMA
Xtreme Couture NY Trainer: Darren GoldsteinMMA / Wrestling
RankLieutenant ColonelAge: 39 Weight: 120 Height: 5'2" Record: 210-30 Strengths: National greco roman champion 5x all american
Xtreme Couture NY Trainer: Bryan Perry Jr.MMA / Judo
RankLieutenantAge: 27 Weight: 195 Height: 5'10" Record: 3-2 Strengths: Judo, Grappling
again, just the unspecified record bothers me....
next is the one's i have a harder time getting...
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4/13/2008 10:02am, #19
I remember Wagner from high school. Never knew him or anything (he went to Port Jeff, I went to Comsewogue, the other school in the area and this was in the Stone Age) and he was certainly an amazing HS wrestler. His brother as well if I remember correctly.
4/13/2008 10:03am, #20
- Join Date
- Jan 2008
Here's where it gets interesting:
Xtreme Couture NY Trainer: Ariel PadillaUrban Combat CommanderRankGeneralAge: 39 Weight: 154 Height: 5'7 Record: 15-2 Strengths: Boxing, 2nd degree blackbelt Jiu-Jitsu, 2nd degree blackbelt Eskrima/Arnis
Xtreme Couture NY Trainer: Joe SaladinoSpecial OpsRankTech SergeantAge: 41 Weight: 185 Height: 5'10 Record: n/a Strengths: Self Defense Rape Prevention, Jujitsu, Arnis Filipino stick, hand and knife Instructor
Xtreme Couture NY Trainer: Christina PoulosKickboxing
RankCaptainAge: 26 Weight: 130 Height: 5'7" Record: n/a Strengths: Kickboxing, yoga, pilates, sports nutrition
this is cardio kickboxing... personally i probably would have specified that, but i suppose you can figure it out by reading the 'strengths'. she's cute though
Xtreme Couture NY Trainer: Mike JimenezAssistant Striking / Kicking Coach
RankSergeantAge: 18 Weight: 165 Height: 5'11" Record: 2-1 Strengths: Kicking and striking
Xtreme Couture NY Trainer: Mike CalamusaStrength & Conditioning / Kicking CoachRankLieutenantAge: 28 Weight: 190 Height: 5'8" Record: n/a Strengths: Black belt in taekwondo, strength & conditioning
I don't even want to get into the crazy ranks.... i honestly don't understand them at all. I mean if you go the the real Xtremecouture page you'll find that many of the inexperienced instructors here outrank famous and accomplished MMA fights such as Tyson Griffin, and Jay Heiron... I guess it's just for the school, and not meant to be taken seriously.
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