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  1. Telum is offline

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    Shin vs ball of the foot

    I tried searching for this topic, but couldnt find any:

    What are the advantages/disadvantages of the shin over the ball of the foot? In shotokan, we are taught to kick with the ball of the foot, but I understand that Muay Thai and kyokyshin both use the shins.

    Ball of the foot has a slightly longer range, but those delicate toes are so ever close to your striking surface. Does that about sum it up?
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    The way MT generates power is very very friendly to hitting with the shin. I don't think you can even do a MT round kick and hit with the ball of the foot if you are doing the kick even close to right.
    But yeah, the shin is far more robust than your foot which contains dozens of tiny tiny bones. A solid impact on the ball of the foot causes a lot of stress on those bones and their connecting tissue. Even when I was doing TKD I thought it was stupid hit with the instep or ball and would frequently throw shins instead.
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    Which one do you think it is easier to hit with, and less likely to hurt if it dosen't hit right?
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    Shin FTW. You can use both however, it's not an either or.
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    Posted On:
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    It depends on what kind of kick you're throwing. The roundhouse with the ball of foot is, in my opinion, madness and begging for broken toes.
    The front kick with the ball of the foot, on the other hand, is a decent idea.
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    Correct me if I'm wrong (I really suck at striking) but don't you use the ball of your foot when you teep?
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    Kicking with your instep is a risk. The only time I would ever hit with my shin is if the opponent was moving out of range and I had to make an adjustment on the fly.
    It's just too easy to break your foot on someone's instep.

    Teep with the ball of the foot. Kick with the lower part of the shin, block with the upper part of the shin.
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    Yes you point the ball of your foot forward for a front kick. You can use the ball of the foot for a round kick to the liver or head but it's insanely risky.
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    First of all, are you talking about all kicks, or just roundhouses? I have never even heard of using the ball of your foot for a roundhouse kick.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Question
    The only time I would ever hit with my shin is if the opponent was moving out of range and I had to make an adjustment on the fly.
    I don't think I understand what you mean by this, can you explain?
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    I don't think I understand what you mean by this, can you explain?
    If I'm going for a head kick and the opponent is moving out of range, I point my toes so the opponent hopefully catches some of the instep. Also, I don't get my toes jammed, because that sucks. Otherwise, if I have the range made, I keep my foot at 90 degrees and release.
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