JKD kali

***DerAuslander*** · Posted On: 4/08/2008 2:30pm

Paul comes from Inosanto. And has developed his own system called PFS. Progressive Fighting Systems.

**escrimador6** · Posted On: 4/08/2008 2:40pm

Originally Posted by Errant108

Paul comes from Inosanto. And has developed his own system called PFS. Progressive Fighting Systems.

I'll have to look into it. If he comes from Inosanto, he's got to be good. I'll stop asking you questions that I could easily find on google.

***DerAuslander*** · Posted On: 4/08/2008 2:43pm

Heh. It's cool.

**escrimador6** · Posted On: 4/08/2008 2:46pm

My only previous knowledge of Vanuk comes from Black Belt mag. articles, which always seem to come off bad no matter who the martial artist is, and some BS artist from Colorado that was on here a couple months ago who claimed Vanuk as one of his instructors.

That will learn me not to jump to conclusions.

***DerAuslander*** · Posted On: 4/08/2008 3:26pm

Did aforementioned BS artist have any connection to Vunak?

**escrimador6** · Posted On: 4/08/2008 3:35pm

Originally Posted by Errant108

Did aforementioned BS artist have any connection to Vunak?

He never supplied proof of any connection. I think at the most he may have gone to a seminar or two at the most.

In retrospect it was kind of silly of me to even link that guy with Vanuk. It was just the BS artist bringing up the name and my only other knowledge of Vanuk being through Black Belt that kind of made me wonder about the guy. Some of the articles in Black Belt seem to give him credit for inventing some of the ideas that are pretty much staples in the art. That's probably the author of the articles fault and not Vanuk claiming to have created the concepts

Good to hear that he is "on the up and up" as they say. He is a name that I hear alot from people who aren't overly familiar with FMAs, him and Inosanto, so it's nice to know that he's a good rep. of the art.

***DerAuslander*** · Posted On: 4/08/2008 3:43pm

I have very limited experience in Kali outside JKD, so I couldn't tell you more. My teachers, and Vunak as far as Ilve seen, always give rep to the origin of what it is they're doing. "This comes to us from Kali", "now you can use your pak sao", " use the savate kick", etc...

What I think the confusion may be about is how Paul has built PFS, especially the concept of destructions, defanging the snake, etc.

**escrimador6** · Posted On: 4/08/2008 3:47pm

Originally Posted by Errant108

What I think the confusion may be about is how Paul has built PFS, especially the concept of destructions, defanging the snake, etc.

I agree, I think it may be stemming from that. The last article I read about Vanuk was about "his" new concept of defanging the snake. I'm sure it comes more from a writer who has little experience with Kali, so to the writer it seemed like something Vanuk came up with.

***DerAuslander*** · Posted On: 4/08/2008 3:58pm

Never read the article, and I haven't trained in PFS in aboyt 6-7 years, so I don't know what the "new" concept of defanging the snake was, but we learned defanging back when.

**escrimador6** · Posted On: 4/08/2008 4:08pm

Originally Posted by Errant108

Never read the article, and I haven't trained in PFS in aboyt 6-7 years, so I don't know what the "new" concept of defanging the snake was, but we learned defanging back when.

Its a decent article on the concept of defanging the snake but there wasn't really anything new about it, which is why I was kind of suprised by the way the author made it sound like a new idea.