Thread: Is this a McDojo?
11/18/2003 10:43am, #21
- Join Date
- May 2003
Let me say, you can never be sure until you go and meet the people there.
But here are some red flags:
1. "sensei"? I may be wrong, but isn't that a Japanese term? I always get a bad feeling when a Teachers from "Korean" or "Chinese" style want to be called Sensei.
2. Self glorifying pictures...
3. Young 5th degree blackblets. Not to brag, but I work with quite a few 4-5th degree blackbelts. I have never met a ligitimate 4th degree BB under the age of 30, let alone a 5th degree.
Cheerleaders can do the splits too. Doesn't mean they can teach a MA.
4. Claims of many awards and ranks and accomplishments.
I have done some searching for the International Martial arts Council. Ever search refers me to the United states martial arts council...
First, It looks like one of those Pay and your in groups.
I cannot find any verification of the claims of his two young 5th degrees.
He claims "Promoted to 10th Degree Black Belt by US Martial Arts Hall of Fame 2003"
Yet on the page it says "An 8th degree black belt in Ba Ki Do..."
I suspect that contributions are the only requierment for this "hall of fame"
Interestingly, many of his "accomplishments" are either vague or took place out of the country.
5. Rapid advancement of students through the dan ranks.
The length of time between his 1st -4th degree BB is like 3 years. I am sorry but part of advance through the dan ranks is experience!!!!!!!!!!
"Sensei John Aaron Castro 5th Degree Black Belt - Bakido
Student Since : February 1, 1994
Instructor Since : May 1998
1st Degree Black Belt April 11, 1998
4th Degree Black Belt April 7, 2001
5th Degree Black Belt April 6, 2002"
He's been a student for less than 10 years and he's a 5th dan????
"Sensei Tyler P. Snowden
5th Degree Black Belt - Bakido
Student Since : September 21, 1992
Instructor Since : May 1996
4th Degree Black Belt on October 1999
1st Degree Black Belt on May 11, 1996"
From just the website, I would have to say that this school is a total Mcdojo, if not worse.
It does look like it is dedicated to improving childrens lives particularly at risk and troubled kids, and I can find no evidence that it does not do that. Giving him the benifit of the doubt on the testimonial page, it does sound like a good "program" for kids (maybe not a MA program, but a program).
As a Martial arts school I would be suspicious to say the least. If the hard to believe claims are not enough to worry you, the ego trip needed to create a site like that should definately worry you.
Bottom line, as always, you can never make a solid judgement from a website alone.
11/18/2003 10:50am, #22
Lame indeed...what's with the "paintings" of the graduates? Then the one picture of the guy with his dog and the knife.
Plus did anybody else notice that his instructors go from 1st degree black belt to 5th degree in an amazing amount time.
Just 2 things that made me tilt my head and go "wha..?"Apu: "Oh! You have just been Apu'd!"
11/18/2003 10:55am, #23
You know...any system that involves spontaneous creation, a self-promotion to Grandmaster, the legitimacy of which depends entirely on a pay-and-play "council", and absolutely NO verifiable experience in really using anything at all...is stupid.Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
11/18/2003 10:58am, #24
It may not be a McDojo by th strictest definition of the term, but it definitely seems like the kind of place you'd regret having studied at.
As for the picture of the kid . . . it wasn't supposed to be a slam against anyone with a disability, just a possible candidate for their next fifth degree blackbelt. I've now repalced it with a shot of another unfortunate youngster.
11/18/2003 11:19am, #25Originally posted by rainfall
Miguksaram, I can check, but that isn't necessarily a precursor to Chinese writing, but simply another style to write characters in. This is the style still used today in the 'seal' people use to officially sign documents. It definately looks upside down. If I get a chance, I will try to get a translation later.
11/18/2003 11:22am, #26
They are upside down. They look to be ancient versions. I only know a *few* ancient versions. But these are upside down.Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
11/18/2003 11:41am, #27
I would avoid this school. I believe it is a classic example of a mcdojo.
I'm kinda surprised that some would say it's not a mcdojo because they don't say they teach self-defense, etc. Well isn't that exactly what is going to be inferred by the average person who enters the school looking to take martial arts?
The biggest issue with the whole whole mcdojo thing is not that they decieve previously trained martial artists, but that they sucker the general public who have no MA knowledge. I believe this school is doing exactly that under the pretext of teaching MA, but is really just a daycare/social club type thing.
11/18/2003 11:48am, #28
Thanks for the info Wastrel, Actually the more I look at them more it appears that the picture is reversed so the writings are backwards.
The point was not that you placed a pic of a disabled child, the point was that it was a child. What point does it serve first of all? Secondly the point you are trying to make can just stated without the use of pictures, or if you are dead set on using a picture, and if you are a parent, put your own kids picture up there. At least that picture would have your consent.
I agree that in general terms of regular MA, 5th dan in 10 years is quite a stretch. However we are dealing with HIS style. So it is his rules on how they promote. I am also not a big fan of the council in which he received a 10th dan, so I don't put much into that claim, however, notice that the claims 8th dan in the pic, so perhaps he just places that as a marketing item more than anything else. Again, train and find out. Again, I am going by the fact that he is not making any outrageous claims on the surface. Need to talk to the instructor.
11/18/2003 11:54am, #29
They are not backwards. They are UPSIDE DOWN.Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
11/18/2003 12:00pm, #30
Mig, obviously, that picture had someone's consent, since it was online in the first place. It's no more or less relevant than the discussion of Chinese characters--and no, that's not some ancient "font" by the way. The only logical reason not to use the pic would be on the far-off chance that someone connected with that kid might find it here and be hurt offended. For that reason, I've taken it down.
If you don't like stuff like this, that's fine. Obviously, I respect your role as moderator. But please don't give me inconsistent reasoning. I see enough of it on this forum as it is.