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  1. PointyShinyBurn is offline
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    Gnarly King of Half-Guard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan
    There was nothing improper about Bussade's actions. It sucks to be Lennox right now, but **** happens. He thought he could power out of yet another attempt.
    Looked that way from the broadcast too, except that the earlier ones were actually pretty technical escapes. I think he just got overconfident given how many times he'd got out previously.

    Lennox hobbled over and shook his hand afterwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
    ... except that the earlier ones were actually pretty technical escapes. ...

    Yeah, I didn't word that quite clearly. I was not commenting on Lennox's previous escapes but only on the Bussade's leglock-palooza.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

    "Your calm and professional manner of response is really draining all the fun out of this. Can you reply more like Dr. Fagbot or something? Call me some names, mention some sand in my vagina or something of the sort. You can't expect me to come up with reasonable arguments man!" -- MaverickZ

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  3. Grashnak is offline
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    Feel free to link to the video the next time some moron posts that submissions don't work on t3h str33t because real fighters don't tap...
    Jesus loves you. I think you're an asshole.
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    4/07/2008 2:43pm

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    Does anybody have any details on the nature of the injury? Is his knee dislocated? Are his tibia/fibula broken?
    Quote Originally Posted by Goju - joe
    being a dick with skill is only marginally better than being a dick without skill.
  5. Roidie McDouchebag is offline
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    Posted On:
    4/07/2008 3:01pm

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    Tom, the thing is...in that position, with weight on the leg, it's pretty hard for a tap to mean anything, but if he'd escaped a bunch of times and Bussade was just trying harder to make sure he got it, that's not so bad.
  6. Tom Kagan is offline
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geordi LaForge
    Tom, the thing is...in that position, with weight on the leg, it's pretty hard for a tap to mean anything, but if he'd escaped a bunch of times and Bussade was just trying harder to make sure he got it, that's not so bad.

    The clip doesn't show the sequence before. Lennox essentially stood up into that. After successfully defending one somewhat loose leg lock attempt after another practically the entire fight, my guess is Lennox took a gamble he could successfully stand and power out of this attempt, and paid the price.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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  7. Ryno is offline

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    If you're defense is just powering out of **** all of the time, this is what will happen to you eventually.

    I've had fucktards come in and just fucking refuse to tap to arm bars, and just try to yank out repeatedly. (I generally don't do many leg attacks against people I'm unfamiliar with.) I'm just not enough of a dick to keep cranking on them even when I've got them locked in. I usually just let them yank it out, then choke them instead. But in the back of my head I know that I could have broken their ****, and if they continue to use the ass-tastic yank defense, eventually they'll try it against someone not as nice as me, and will end up dealing with a pretty severe injury.
  8. Goju - Joe is offline
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    Leg Locks freak me out, I tap like Gregory Hines on crack because they're just not worth it to risk injury fighting out of one.
  9. King Sleepless is offline
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    4/07/2008 11:02pm

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    Ouch.

    I don't ever want to see that ever again. *shudder*
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    Posted On:
    4/07/2008 11:29pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goju - Joe
    Leg Locks freak me out, I tap like Gregory Hines on crack because they're just not worth it to risk injury fighting out of one.
    I too am scared shitless of leg injuries (my dad has bad knees), but this has actually compelled me to go for leglocks more, even though going for one typcially brings you closer to being put in one. This has happened for for two reasons:
    a) I know that I'm not a dick, and I won't injure anyone with a kneebar.
    b) I feel that if I develope a good leglock game, I'm less likely to get caught in one by someone with poor control or spaz out and get injured. Thus, I feel that developing my leglock game will make me less likely to be injured by one in the long run.
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