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  1. Odacon is offline
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    Why are people insisting a guy with 2 fights under his belt take on the top fighters in his division?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odacon
    Why are people insisting a guy with 2 fights under his belt take on the top fighters in his division?
    The internet.
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    I understand how Chuck feels about Kimbo's promoters, but he didn't have to say it. Makes him sound kind of jealous of these MMA newcomers (Brock) having more fame and draw than him. I say Kimbo vs Liddell with spiked brass knuckles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
    Except that Liddel's takedown defence consists of good hips and a supernatural sprawl, whereas Cung's consists of a greasy wad of bill thrust into the hands of his opponents.
    Fail.

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    Fail.

    Sherdog is calling.
    Shamrock did it to himself, no question, but did you watch the goddamn Fryklund fight?
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    Yeah, tell me at what point in that fight Fryklund had a chance to get a takedown that he did not capitalize on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
    Shamrock did it to himself, no question, but did you watch the goddamn Fryklund fight?
    Yes I did.

    Did you watch the Duane Ludwig fight?

    I know we have now entered the twilight zone because all I hear is the "grapplers don't take down Cung" fixed fight.

    Take a good hard look at the records of those 5 fighters and get back to me. Only one had a significant winning past with submissions.

    The rest were either losing to submissions or almost 50/50 either way.

    So this whole grappling/takedown argument is stupid.

    *EDIT*Just as dumb as the fixed fight argument. He cherry picked his opponents to pad his record IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt W.
    I don't believe it always will be stigmatized. Either way, the fact that the uninformed stigmatize it for WRONG reasons doesn't mean we should just say, screw it! Let's let whatever POS thug that wants to jump in the cage do it!
    If someone is cleared to participate and there are no legal rules that preclude him from doing so, then yes. Let the chips fall where they may.

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    Also, real keen on letting that POS nazi Costa compete, are ya, Macho? Because that's what you just said.
    Costa can compete if he wishes. The constitution allows for klanners to gather, why should then Costa (or any other supremacist) be forbidden from competing?

    I believe he's a POS as he still advocates racial supremacists POVs. It is not something he has done before and stopped doing it, but something he does up to this day and there is no debate on it. I'm not judging him for something he did before and which he had paid for, but for something that he's currently and actively doing now.

    And yet, I'm not going to declare a jihad and demand that he be taken away his right and opportunity to compete. Let him compete and let the chips fall where they may. Same with Kimbo.

    Kimbo did his time and paid his dues. And now he's trying to be legit. Do you have an specific charge against him, now, for something that he is doing now and for which he must pay now? Otherwise, it's just opinionated smoke blowing.

    He committed crimes and he paid his dues. You don't charge men twice for something they have already been convicted and made paid for. Unless you have further charges that must be prosecuted, all this is simply witch hunting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt W.
    Really? What the hell else are you gonna judge someone on? What they _say_ they're going to do in the future?
    Yes in combination with what they are doing today. That's how you judge people, but taking a totalility of past AND present actions (and promises of future actions suggested by current actions.)

    What exactly is he doing today that he needs to be charged or judged for?

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    lol
    Yeah, lol.

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    If he's "changed" he's gonna have to show it before I believe it.
    That is fine and dandy. If you choose not to believe he has changed, that's fine. But that doesn't preclude Kimbo (or anyone who has already paid for his crimes) to seek a new start.

    If he's still a criminal, oh **** then, we made a mistake in giving him the benefit of the doubt. If he instead shows that he's a reformed man, then you simply went to judge him because of your dislike for him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt W.
    He's a criminal who has been in and out of jail and prison his whole life. He's admitted some of his incarceration was for violence and he's most likely also stolen from people and done who knows what else.
    And he paid for it. Now if you have concrete evidence against him for things he is still doing now, let's hear it.

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    Look, here's the simple truth of the matter.
    It is the simple interpretation of things which you have chosen to take as truth.

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    Kimbo sux as a fighter
    As a MMA fighter maybe.

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    and is a criminal who has acted like a POS for most of his life thus far.
    And he paid for it. Double jeopardy?

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    Frankly, I don't know why any educated fight fan would want him in the sport.
    Because it is a subjective issue, a matter of opinion. The guy can fight, he's training MMA legitimaly and so far he has not done anything that warrants him to go to prison or anything like that.

    Then there is the other side of the coin where he was a criminal and POS. Whether that has bearing on who he is know or what he's capable of doing in the future, that's for you/I to believe or doubt.
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    Who the hell says he's been in prison or that he's acted like a 'POS'? Or are we just assuming for some reason I wouldn't dream of speculating on?
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    Apparently, there was a bogus interview saying he spent 10 years in prison. I don't know because, I really never looked into the matter.

    I wouldn't be surprised if it was a planted to push his "streetfighter" image.
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