Such as thou art, sometime was I.
Posted On:11/17/2003 8:36pm
Style: Brazilian Jiujitsu
Damn. Nice ones Shooter.
Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
Seeker of Truth
Posted On:11/17/2003 9:04pm
Style: Five Animal Fighting
"From what I know the Golden Knights are no bullshit. Those guys don't have namby-pamby backgrounds."
I'm not trying to disparage them, but being a precision parachuter doesn't make you a great warrior or vice versa. I have no doubt that many on the team are both, but their mission in the Golden Knights is to perform, not to fight.
Very little of what they do as Golden Knights has combat applications. In fact, very few of the team memebers are have combat related primary functions in the army. While some are from the Special Forces and Infantry, most are from support related duties. There are mechanics, cooks, secrectaries, medical personal, and others. Team member proflies are located on their website:
I doesn't matter to me that not all of the Golden Knights are hardned killing machines. They are damn good at what the do, probably the best, and it takes a lot of skill and hard work, even if its not directly related to combat. Just like the people doing forms on the clips.
Posted On:11/17/2003 9:19pm
No...a great number of them are from combat arms and combat support Punisher. And they were soldiers first. I find your comparison...offensive.
Posted On:11/17/2003 10:02pm
Originally posted by Skummer
Someone needs to create a national consumer advocate type organization for legit chinese arts. That is, for CMA schools that can demonstrate realisitic training and the results thereof. No forms-only or forms-mostly schools allowed.
It seems that right now most CMA schools are interested in their solo forms and the utterly useless concept of lineage. A reputable organization in the know needs to exist to blow the whistle on these defective schools.
I believe Adam Hsu started an organization like such for the purpose preserving Traditional KF which is obviously being overtaken by Government Wushu. it's called the traditional wushu Association.
Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. That's relativity.
Posted On:11/17/2003 11:59pm
"No...a great number of them are from combat arms and combat support Punisher. And they were soldiers first. I find your comparison...offensive."
I'm sorry you feel that way. Like I said, I never meant to belittle anything about them. I have nothing but the utmost respect for all our armed forces, including the three performance groups I mentioned. I think it is a good thing that the Golden Knights isn't exclusive to combat personnel. To the Golden Knights it doesn't matter if you're a Green Beret or a cook.
I like the fact that the current CISM competition team is comprised of 3 infantrymen, a mechanic, a parachute maintenance tech, a female medical specialist, a female administrative specialist, a female supply officer that enlisted in 1977, and a dental specialist who is the Asst. Team Leader. The other teams are just as representative of all the different roles people have in the army. They are all soldiers. My whole point in bringing them up was to try to convey that they don't magically become non-soilders by being part of a performance team.
Posted On:11/18/2003 12:06am
But that is the opposite of someone who attempts to become a martial artist through forms practice. They don't magically become martial artists through forms.
I generally get pissed off at "martial artists" thinking what they do makes them soldiers in any way.
If you don't mean that, then fugeddaboudit.
Fancy a milkshake?
Posted On:11/18/2003 12:40am
I think that part of the problem is that people like us know the difference between what is going to be combat effective and what is not. The general public have little idea of this the majority of the time and have little idea of "real kung fu". What they think is the **** that they see in the movies. People like Jet Li ,a wushu practitiioner, will do fancy choreographed moves that look cool but aren't neccesarily realistic (well most of the time highly unrealistic). Now where the difference lies is when people who see this stuff decide "hey I'd like to do a martial art" either they look at the ability to fight from the perspective of effectiveness, efficiency, realism and covering all their bases or "look at the cool **** I can do mom!!!".
Now there are some people who beleive that some of this fancy **** works and I'm not all together saying it doesn't, but youve usually got a 99.9% chance its not, so when informed people like ourselves look at these arts we go "hah pchiyii, that **** aint gonna work dipshit". In an Australian martial arts magazine the other month in the technique section there was a technique for gettin out of a corner whilst kicking your attacker in the head which involved running up a wall. Now it looked cool, it would even work, but you've got **** all chance really pulling it off in a live situation.
My point is that there are people out there teaching this "movie kung fu" that is not realistically based and they won't accept it. Together with the points Shooter made, the general publics view of kung fu "really" is and the people who are telling people that this **** works kung fu has gone down the shitter along with the shithouse instruction out there with Mcdojos. You need to learn from someone who has tried and tested techniques and has been in multiple live situations and I don't mean three fights with some drunk guy.
Ummm, I had more to crap on about but I'm gonna go train
Oh yeah and my toe hurts.
Posted On:11/18/2003 1:11am
look at how bruce lee fought in Dragon: the "linda" story....
i doubt he wouldof done half that ****.. most of that was for show and to make the fight scenes look more interesting...
also if i'm completely wrong with that let me know
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Posted On:11/18/2003 1:12am
"But that is the opposite of someone who attempts to become a martial artist through forms practice. They don't magically become martial artists through forms."
I'd agree with you if you subsitute "martial artist" with "fighter", I've already stated numerous times that I think there is a big difference between those two words. But just because someone practices forms doesn't mean they can't fight. I can't tell anything about these peoples fighting ability by what they were doing, other than most of it was pretty athletic, requiring strength, speed, agility, and stamina that I don't have. But to really judge if they could fight, I'd have to see them fight.
I am a martial artist. I do forms. I compete in forms competitions. I also fight. I don't think forms are a really effective way to learn how to fight, but I enjoy doing them and I enjoy performing nonetheless. I have no problem with an art that consists completely of forms, if they are honest enough with themselves and their students to represent it truthfully. If they think their art teaches people how to fight, they better be able to back it up.
Hole in one.
Posted On:11/18/2003 1:25am
Style: LongFist CMA
You are assuming of course that they don't fight. Most are judging these people on a clip of a form performance. Thats like judgeing a person after seeing 30 seconds of their dailly lives. By this logic, if I caught you drinking coffee at that moment I would have to assume thats all you did and nothing else.
"other than most of it was pretty athletic, requiring strength, speed, agility, and stamina that I don't have."
I guess you don't need that for fighting...................
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