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    The Bowflex

    Just out of curiosity, I have heard people say that the bowflex supposedly makes you more ripped then building strength/size (This guy was an idiot though to be honest), I have heard people say it doesn't matter it is just resistance, but still I imagine the force curve (More resistance as you continue the motion) affecting you somehow.

    How do you guys think bowflex/crossflex/whatever with rods or those circle things compare to more classic exercises?
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    This is an opinion not fact! I hated it! I'll stick to free weights. I have never tried the adjustable dumbells they look kind of cool.
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    Chuck Norris dissapproves of the Bowflex. Buy the Total gym instead.
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    The bowflex is a piece of crap. The only use of a bowflex is to find out who suckers are. If you know someone who owns a bowflex, they are in fact a sucker, that will pay absurd amounts of money for a gimmick. Exploit this knowledge for the sake of gambling and borrowing money.
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    If you find a cheap one at a Garage sale or somethin' then you can pull it apart and make mini-catapults and self-spanking rigs and semi-automatic meat tenderizers an'stuff like that.

    about all it's good for...
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    i bought and sold one to a fellow sucker after having it for a month back in 2004/5ish (i have a memory span of a gnat). it was cool looking but the most unsturdy piece of crap. and i had it sitting on a concrete floor. at least with free weights even a fucknut knows to at least pick up and put down the weight. the bowflex was the most uncomfortable/confusing thing ever, i couldnt adjust any of the pulleys to a proper angle for me. and i dont care what they say, i kept feeling like something was going to snap and fuckin bitch slap me.

    with the bowflex you sit in the middle of this machine thats supposedly does everything... knowing what i know now... but does everything shitty. it's the same as machines in a gym, its for beginners, once you have enough strength not to brain yourself with a weight you move over to the free weights **caveat** generally speaking.

    IMO save yourself the $1600 and buy 1-2 possibly 3 years gym membership at a nice gym. or if you're considering a bowflex, possibly 1 year membership with a few months of a personal trainer.

    that said, if you're really bent on getting it... go for it, excercise is excercise. speaking as someone who cycles through being a slob and fit, anything that gets you motivated for working out is a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theotherserge
    If you find a cheap one at a Garage sale or somethin' then you can pull it apart and make mini-catapults and self-spanking rigs and semi-automatic meat tenderizers an'stuff like that.
    Whoa! Self-spanking rigs?? Think of all the money I would've saved if I had a self-spanking rig!
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    The very premise that the bowflex is based on is flawed. The resistance is least through the range of motion where your muscles are weakest, and greatest where your muscles are strongest. This means that the resistance changes based on the HEIGHT of the user. I, as a short person, can put every single bit of resistance on the BowFlex and push it out to full extension. My friend who is 6'8" ,and benches more than I do, can't push out half of the resistance because his arms are so long.

    It does make one badass ballista though....
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    I used to work at a sporting goods store, and the manager had a deal that if any of us could sell a bowflex, he would take us out to lunch anywhere we wanted. We all failed.

    I was actually in charge of dismantling the store display bowflex back when they all got recalled for having resistance bands that would snap mid workout. That was fun.


    My buddies and I boiled it down. For the price you'd pay for a bowflex, you could get a powercage, olympic bench, 600lbs of free weight, as many bars as you wanted, and still have about $300 left over for supplements or other odds and ends.
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    The bowflex is the essense of everything that's wrong with the health industry today. The only redeeming part could be the chest pressing parts, but that's about it.

    Everything else forces you to work your muscles in isolation. Now, this is the thing - a person that's very out of shape will get benefits from using this machine... if he/she sticks to it and uses it consistently.

    But therein lies the problem. Such a person is at the beginning of his quest for being in shape, and as a result, he will have questions, he will need motivation, he will need some sort of guidance. There is no way that such an intimidating piece of star trek equipment will be of much help for him.

    A person at such level of fitness will be better off signing to a local gym and go to the weight aerobic classes, seriously. Or better yet do the free weights, or even the machines, in an environment that is much more stimulating that being at home. Even better, join a crossfit affilate if one is within driving distance, or a bootcamp.

    Who could have the motivation and discipline to use this machine? Someone that already has a certain level of fitness and perhaps with better defined goals. But that person is at a point where this thing is nothing but a piece of ****.

    That person is at a point where he, more or less, knows precisely what to do, with machines and/or free weights. Such a person, again, is better served by joining a gym, a crossfit affiliate, or better yet, as Emevas pointed out, build his own free weight gym.

    Also, there is no logic in the 'convenience factor' of working at home. A person as mentioned in the last paragraph that is in a financial position to buy this crap can also afford to go to a health club/gym or buy his own free weight equipment.

    In summary:

    1. it is expensive,
    2. it's strictly an isolation machine (yikes, not functional!),
    3. it is too much for someone just starting,
    4. it is nothing for someone with experience,
    5. there are better, cheaper alternatives.

    In other words, it sucks more than the Mighty Sarlacc.
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